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+00:00:01:19 - 00:00:17:27
+Unknown
+I don't want a friend. my life to look always to get the.
+
+00:00:17:31 - 00:00:51:00
+Unknown
+I don't even have to swap my inputs. Nice. Waiting for you. Right, then how do you, Tanguy and scorers. How do you do? Thank you for the like and the follow. Just going to be poor. And my doctor Pepper here for the foreseeable future. Goodness. Nice Evo foamy.
+
+00:00:51:05 - 00:01:03:43
+Unknown
+There we, Hello, Azure. How do you do this? Fine day?
+
+00:01:03:48 - 00:01:30:36
+Unknown
+At least. Fuck. What's the occasion? Oh, just going to be do it. A little bit of Draco. A discourse before, getting back to goodness, getting back to subliminal. So. The deal is I'm probably going to be streaming a little bit more early on Saturdays just because, like, I don't know, doing stuff of the evening maybe more often probably.
+
+00:01:30:45 - 00:01:56:46
+Unknown
+Well, it I don't know. Either way, it's good to kind of be more consistent with it or whatever the case may be. so that'll be that'll be good ish to whatever degree. Okay, let me see when I'm around slowdown singing that, where is,
+
+00:01:56:51 - 00:02:02:28
+Unknown
+This this is what we're going to do.
+
+00:02:02:33 - 00:02:16:05
+Unknown
+Is give me a why would you buy. Good. Well, that's good to hear. That's certainly good to hear.
+
+00:02:16:10 - 00:02:29:57
+Unknown
+Excellent. Okay. Okay, before we get going a bit, have you seen that video? There's a little, let me see if I can.
+
+00:02:30:01 - 00:02:36:31
+Unknown
+See if I could find it.
+
+00:02:36:36 - 00:02:51:18
+Unknown
+There's a little video that that kind of got stuck in my head a little bit. This one. I like that, it's just. It's just fat Chud.
+
+00:02:51:23 - 00:02:59:19
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, there's something about it.
+
+00:02:59:24 - 00:03:06:38
+Unknown
+Give me is. It's not a bit mermaid.
+
+00:03:06:43 - 00:03:12:38
+Unknown
+Okay. Good thing.
+
+00:03:12:43 - 00:03:23:26
+Unknown
+What else? One kitchen. Say.
+
+00:03:23:31 - 00:04:03:05
+Unknown
+This is going to be bloody copyright. My my interpretation of the continuation of that would be you know being a child is also until it's not, you know not too bad. No. Markiplier fat. No. He's Japanese, not Korean. No. The difference. It could save your life. Is that Yujiro Anton Chigurh? No. Hello, Coco. Pummel.
+
+00:04:03:06 - 00:04:11:19
+Unknown
+Thank you for the follow.
+
+00:04:11:24 - 00:04:37:57
+Unknown
+okay, so getting into it. So, I don't know. I don't know if. Yeah, I, I don't reckon that this, this previous, episode of Draconian Discord got much traction, so, perhaps, perhaps, nobody would be familiar with it, but, was it last year or was it two years ago? Maybe. It may have been like, in draconian discourse beta.
+
+00:04:38:02 - 00:05:10:30
+Unknown
+so like two years ago, something like that. I did, I did a deed on, this artist who at that point had gone by as a hero, and now goes on horns on, goes by, horns on, halos. how? Right. I forgot to actually find this thing. The reason, is I'm basically just looking at following up on this because, my,
+
+00:05:10:35 - 00:05:51:09
+Unknown
+Previous. Okay, so here it is. Here it is. This this is actually real like that. This was, the bloody thing. It's apparently like they actually, I didn't realize you could do that with community notes. So there's that user is a pedophile groomer, and I'm not really so interested, at this, where, I don't know, the entire topic is just that the super, Super Mario Galaxy movie apparently made, the peach Rosalina, and incest ship because they're like sisters or something like that.
+
+00:05:51:09 - 00:06:10:41
+Unknown
+I don't know. How to buy a basic digital circus. Hello, cane raising Cane's, how do you do? I should probably watch that show. It may be up my alley. Some dreamscape shenanigans.
+
+00:06:10:46 - 00:06:29:40
+Unknown
+I'm going to be on an eight hour drive. Connection might be real lost, you know, eight hour drives. Gotta love those. I really love those. I could sit still for a very long time if I've got something to do. If I'm. If I'm. I did like a one hour flight to SoCal. a year or two ago or something like that.
+
+00:06:29:40 - 00:06:34:36
+Unknown
+And I was just like, oh, that was not very long at all, was it?
+
+00:06:34:40 - 00:06:48:00
+Unknown
+Yes. Watch it on stream. What? What am I watching on stream? If it was me making a tweet, it was a user. As a cool guy.
+
+00:06:48:05 - 00:07:10:48
+Unknown
+What are the are you will be said to the seller. Well, that's a pretty that's a pretty strong argument. Can you back it up with the sauce? so anyhow, I'd seen this reply. Great. Just fucking great. I was just starting to enjoy this guy's art. Damn it, I said. His artist whatever the ideology is, pushes, he pushes with it is puritan, mystic and pathetic.
+
+00:07:10:48 - 00:07:50:53
+Unknown
+It always has been. So I'd say his art as in the art style. However much has changed over the years, I reckon it's, you know, he appears to have talent, but the talented in of itself is, Well, in a in an objectivist sense, it's being used to the wrong, the wrong ends. His art, tends to portray man as a as not an individual as, like just a widget, per se.
+
+00:07:50:58 - 00:08:11:08
+Unknown
+kind of every single, every single character that he makes is an NPC with a color or something like that. And so I think in, in that sense, his art is, you know, it does not meet the standard for what good art is. It does not portray man as, what's the word as my source, as I made it the fuck up?
+
+00:08:11:13 - 00:08:25:36
+Unknown
+Damn. It's so overt, so over for me. I probably should get around to watching it. Probably. Caleb Hobday, thank you for the follow.
+
+00:08:25:40 - 00:08:41:40
+Unknown
+You went to SoCal and didn't visit. Wow. Well, I wasn't even like, I wasn't in constant communication with you as as I am now that you are a decorated member of my court. Has it, as it were.
+
+00:08:41:45 - 00:09:06:04
+Unknown
+So I suppose his art is whatever is is not exactly leaving it at the, the final word on it, though I could go into much more depth on that, that topic. That's not necessarily the whole thing here. Oh, I didn't actually see the Google doc. I didn't I didn't realize there was a Google doc on this. I guess this depends on how long we really want to take for this.
+
+00:09:06:09 - 00:09:29:04
+Unknown
+let me see if I can find the actual thing here. Google doc is probably going to be way too long, but I'm going to take, take loads of time to look through that I can't even find,
+
+00:09:29:09 - 00:09:38:08
+Unknown
+Let me see if I could bloody find this thing.
+
+00:09:38:13 - 00:10:02:42
+Unknown
+Oh, goodness. I don't know why. well, I'll be ignoring the the bloody Google doc for now, because I think the Twitter thread is probably plenty, though there's going to be loads of information to, to be looking into that was added I boobs. what are your thoughts on and about AI?
+
+00:10:02:47 - 00:10:35:36
+Unknown
+It's probably going to be seeing a bit of a decline. as far as because I was just looking at stuff, we're going to be seeing, a lot of. Well, because Sora shut down, obviously. So that's that's one thing, but, I think we're going to be seeing, the era of free AI, and, you know, in the medium to short term, because compute is under under such high demand for one and for two, certain subsidies and whatnot.
+
+00:10:35:36 - 00:11:03:46
+Unknown
+Like it's it's not going to be very profitable for very long. at least not for much longer, to continue to offer a free stuff. So I think, I think you're going to see a lot of these platforms, sort of locking down. And so the only people who are, going to see it as worthwhile are the people who are not going to be like, no one's going to be like dropping loads of money on on creating slop anymore, which is, which is, I think, a decent, development, if that's the case.
+
+00:11:03:46 - 00:11:26:35
+Unknown
+But, at the same time, the I don't know, I don't know, I think, I think you're just going to see less of it and maybe it'll become more subtle. not quite certain. Total. It all depends, I guess. I guess we'll see how it goes. Thank you for the follow. squirrel. Winter storm. I thought it said stomp.
+
+00:11:26:40 - 00:11:51:25
+Unknown
+It always cuts it off. I don't think it should. I don't think it should. I think it should be able to see the whole name. Anyhow, back to the topic at hand here. so, you know, it's I feel like I'm back in a different year or something like that because obviously this is March, 2025, and I've only just now, been made aware of this.
+
+00:11:51:25 - 00:12:19:36
+Unknown
+So I suppose it goes back, you know, suppose this is in sort of a different year, but just it just seems odd to be like, you know, my, my thread, but, you know, we're back to that. the sensitivity of harassment, sexual harassment, predatory behavior. So this is definitely not, I'm not, like, gloating over, sort of the demise or the downfall of one person.
+
+00:12:19:40 - 00:12:58:39
+Unknown
+So sort of snooty, asserting, oh, well, I knew that this person was bad because I disagreed with them ideologically. I'm kind of taking a bit more of a, what do you call it, a central, a neutral approach? This I just just kind of semi neutrally because while there were, most things I'd say that I disagree with this person on in regards to the Puritanism, that that I'd previously been speaking about when it comes to shipping certain characters and what have you, that, you know, it struck me as, pathetic and obnoxious to say, to, to keep it brief.
+
+00:12:58:44 - 00:13:22:04
+Unknown
+I'm not quite certain that all of the critical criticisms that are in this thread are, you know, exactly relevant because I'm seeing a lot of, you know, pedophile grooming things that people are talking about, but it's like, okay, I suppose I'd have to see the the Google doc in order to really get into those, but it appears as if, you know, there's, there's going to be talking about a little bit of that.
+
+00:13:22:04 - 00:13:37:41
+Unknown
+But as far as I'd seen in this thread, it was mostly just talking about the contents in the, of the comics themselves. And I thought that that seemed as if it was not the most, what's the word?
+
+00:13:37:46 - 00:13:58:37
+Unknown
+Not not really such a big whoop to be made about it, I don't know. I may be a little bit torn on it. because there were certainly things in the content like that. That was what I was responding to in the previous episode, that this was the topic of however many years back that was, was the content of the, the, the comics.
+
+00:13:58:37 - 00:14:20:42
+Unknown
+But I don't reckon that it's always the case, you know, that that these. Like suddenly, like a broken clock must be right twice a day. Right? Like it's not as if I disagree with every single thing that this this individual has to say. So I don't know. What are your thoughts on AI data centers, that they are trying to build and make?
+
+00:14:20:47 - 00:14:51:43
+Unknown
+well, I reckon, I reckon if there are like issues downstream of where they're trying to make them, how they're trying to make them, that affect other people, I think that is the, the, what do you call it, the, I suppose, jurisdiction of tort law. You know, if somebody is creating problems, then, you know, they should be able to be sued over those problems, that they're created for other people, like, I do have someone in a discord that was discussing data centers and, noise pollution.
+
+00:14:51:43 - 00:15:20:27
+Unknown
+And that's something that I reckon is probably a decent case for a tort law. a tort case. Right. But, I reckon, I reckon, when it comes to like, what do you call it? power cost and whatnot, then, like, we ought to just bloody embrace nuclear, and the state oughta quit trying to criminalize everything and and regulate everything to death.
+
+00:15:20:27 - 00:15:43:54
+Unknown
+Like, you know, we should have nuclear. And then, you know, people are not going to have to worry. So much about, power costs. when it comes to water, I'm not quite certain on water rights. Honestly, I haven't, haven't really given so much, dedicated so much thought to water rights and whatnot. But, I certainly think that, what do you call it?
+
+00:15:43:58 - 00:16:04:15
+Unknown
+There shouldn't be like, that sort of, like, like think of net neutrality, but applied to, like, water treatment. I reckon that shouldn't really be, if if you taken up more water, you should probably be paying more. Like. And for all of the people who aren't taking up as much water, they shouldn't be paying as much.
+
+00:16:04:15 - 00:16:27:57
+Unknown
+Right? Like if that's the way that that, water treatment facilities, function, that I don't really think that there's all that much of a problem with it. But if the water supply is polluted, then it may be, the, the purview of, of a of a tort case. Right. In order to, to bring that and, and mitigate and, sort that out.
+
+00:16:27:57 - 00:16:34:54
+Unknown
+So, yeah.
+
+00:16:34:58 - 00:16:51:50
+Unknown
+I'm have to watch a stream replay later on this part, mister. Good chunk. That's all right. Water. Just pee and make it into water. See, I think I think you're a bit of a genius, actually. Infinite water glitch, not neutrality. I don't know if that's what the. That's called. Isn't that how water works? Like the water bill? I don't know.
+
+00:16:51:54 - 00:17:18:21
+Unknown
+That's the thing. I don't know about these kinds of things. I don't know how utilities are generally, treated. in the case of like, whichever law system, I mean, I said, I don't like I'm, I'm an anarcho objectivist. I don't believe in the state. I don't I don't reckon the state has any just claim to, to regulate any of these things or to, provide any of these things as goods and services.
+
+00:17:18:21 - 00:17:44:51
+Unknown
+But, you know, whether or not that that's how the state currently behaves, like, I have no idea. Every single, state in the United States, I'm certain, has a different way of doing it. And, you know, not necessarily, my interest in, in, how things currently work, because it's all very complicated. Anyway, I'm going to move on with this, this this is like.
+
+00:17:44:56 - 00:18:16:36
+Unknown
+Just just immediately looking at it, it's like it's effectively the exact same, virtue signaling. Get up on my my pedestal and shout to the world on how how wrong everybody else is. It's like, effectively the exact same, like, what's the word? The exact same type of preaching is going on. It's just like, you know, a competition as to who is the most pure, between the two, it's it's a little bit silly.
+
+00:18:16:40 - 00:18:34:30
+Unknown
+this is around June of last year. I discovered a user by the name of Eggsy Hero, who posted this rant comic where he in summer, he compared queer shipping to pro shipping in attempts to demonize queer ships because of his belief that they were unnatural and forced. Real quote, by the way. And so this is the Instagram description, with their opinion why?
+
+00:18:34:30 - 00:19:11:31
+Unknown
+If the writers didn't show clear hints, signs, or literal cannon information of the two people being in a specific relationship, why are you so passionate about making such a such weird and unnatural shift between two people like that? So from what I have discerned from this, from this original comic, which I probably won't be going into, like I'd have to hunted down and find it, his entire point and generally one of his, like, standards that he's got, when it comes to him being so anti pro shipping, which, a lot of the I think it was mostly for me, the logic behind a lot of what he was saying.
+
+00:19:11:36 - 00:19:47:36
+Unknown
+that I was that I was opposing, because it was mostly like, I reckon that he didn't have much of a, rational basis for loads of his Puritan istic claims and, and ideals. But the Puritan is to claim that he was making was that when it comes to shipping characters, like, you're not you're not just allowed to simply have fun with saying, like, this character and that character.
+
+00:19:47:47 - 00:20:15:51
+Unknown
+I'm shipping these two together, however passionately or not passionately. I do, and regardless of, of the, like it, like it seems as if his sort of thing is that he's got standards when it comes to what is or isn't an acceptable ship. and so I reckon what he meant by weird and unnatural, was not that like, these are queer ships per se.
+
+00:20:15:55 - 00:20:39:33
+Unknown
+and and he, I think he specifies this later, but like specifically that it is weird and unnatural to be reading into these characters something that isn't there, which is interesting because I reckon, like, I don't know, a lot of the point of shipping in general is just to say like, I like this character and I like this character, you know, because in their own special ways.
+
+00:20:39:37 - 00:21:07:26
+Unknown
+But, I don't reckon, it's like, I reckon it'd be neat if they got together and I've got a draw out of them doing it, and I'm gonna. Whatever. Right. like, sort of the entire point is just that they're like, having fun with experimenting with, like, how canonical relationships work and, and inter iterating on sort of an existing story or an existing mythology, let's say.
+
+00:21:07:26 - 00:21:39:27
+Unknown
+So they're sort of building on to a mythology by creating, like a permute, another mutation of, another iteration, you know, of, of these character dynamics. How would this be if it were like this? and, you know, it's it's quite complex, obviously, but, sort of my view on it is like, I don't really care. Like, you know, even if you, you could say that it's like, problematic or whatever you want to say, like, you know, I don't really have much of an issue with anybody doing it.
+
+00:21:39:27 - 00:22:13:51
+Unknown
+Like, even even if I would say that there is something morally wrong about, some of the ships in, in one sense or another. you know, I, it does not, what's the word? It is not aligned with Objectivist ethics. Right. Then then that'd be a separate thing entirely as to whether or not I reckon it's like a problem with, like whether or not I would like personally walk up to them and like, bloody preach to them that they're doing something wrong with that.
+
+00:22:13:51 - 00:22:21:29
+Unknown
+I'd like virtue signal on line about how wrong they are about doing it. I don't know.
+
+00:22:21:34 - 00:22:46:45
+Unknown
+I reckon a lot of this conversation is about competing ethics. And so whether or not, so sort of the, the values that are inherent in what somebody is communicating when they are shipping two characters is a relevant discussion, let's say. so I suppose that's sort of the approach that we are to have about this. but I reckon when it comes to him, you know, he's saying weird and unnatural ships.
+
+00:22:46:49 - 00:23:18:24
+Unknown
+like sort of the question is like in an ethical sense, what is the, the role of shipping and which ships are or are not? like, okay, to, to make or to be immensely passionate about and what have you like, I don't know, it's it's interesting that, that he chooses to get so offended about it, but I also don't not I'm not I'm also not quite certain that this is a fair portrayal of this.
+
+00:23:18:28 - 00:23:26:55
+Unknown
+but apparently that there was loads of backlash to this.
+
+00:23:27:00 - 00:23:56:35
+Unknown
+I think utilities are trash. The the most useless properties in monopoly. Oh, right. You're talking about like the the board game. I see what is pro ship. pro shipping is basically someone who says that, you know, all ships are, you know, fictional. It's just like headcanon. It's just stuff that I've got in my head. And so me sharing it and whatnot is, you know, there is no ethical issue with sharing whatever I am shipping.
+
+00:23:56:40 - 00:24:30:09
+Unknown
+you know, and pro shippers tend to take like, a very staunch stance effectively that any, any shipping in any context is, is ethically justified, I suppose. so effectively, child, parent child shipping, human monster shipping issue, you know, human or humanoid with pet shipping, like whatever. Like anything that you do. it sort of has alignment with, what do you call it?
+
+00:24:30:14 - 00:24:48:27
+Unknown
+I don't know, like all of the, the lolly, lolly con bloody like defenders or whatever. It's, it's got, like, some overlap with that where that, that just sort of saying that it's all fictional. So none there is no ethical problem here because anything that you do in fiction, is separate from ethics, which I don't think is true.
+
+00:24:48:27 - 00:25:12:57
+Unknown
+I, I reckon that anything that you do in fiction and or in art, you know, art at large is reflective of values. And if it's not reflective of objective values, rational values, then, it ought not to be entertained. but that's a separate question as to the, the legal question, which is a subset of ethics, admittedly.
+
+00:25:12:57 - 00:25:41:35
+Unknown
+But, the legal question as to whether or not it ought be permitted. not in a moral sense, but in the sense that, when is, when is the behavior that you're, involved in? When does that behavior, begin to infringe on the rights of other people? and I reckon it's very difficult to understand, like how to square the internet with that because it's very complex.
+
+00:25:41:40 - 00:26:18:54
+Unknown
+but. There is a distinction as to, the law and as to the, The moral behavior. And it's like, so, so so I can I've, I've said this like recently, I can simultaneously say that like, liking lolly or liking, you know, the incest ships or whatever is, morally, morally wrong, but, not legally wrong in a sense, because, like, who have you violated with that, though I'm not quite certain.
+
+00:26:18:59 - 00:26:35:39
+Unknown
+Like that. There could be arguments that you make about the legality. I'm not quite certain. I don't know, it's an interesting, interesting sort of, what do you call it? Interesting territory.
+
+00:26:35:43 - 00:26:50:13
+Unknown
+Bro, what the fuck? I'm parked at a Starbucks and some dude came out and started throwing up. Well, that's just what you do. That's what you ought to do when you're at a Starbucks. I think you're problematic. You should be censored. Earth. Wouldn't all chefs be okay because they're all fictional characters? That's basically like the pro ship stance.
+
+00:26:50:13 - 00:27:02:08
+Unknown
+That's basically what it is. Because like, who cares if they're fake? But fiction is just imagination. And if you police fiction, you police the mind. No. Yeah. So I'm I mean, I certainly would say that.
+
+00:27:02:13 - 00:27:29:03
+Unknown
+So I, I reckon like policing the mind is, is a wrong thing to attempt and to, you know. You should just you just shouldn't entertain that that line of reasoning. Right. It's, it's unjust. But similarly, there's a difference between being unjust and being immoral, and some immoral things are unjust and some immoral things are just. So it's kind of kind of difficult that way.
+
+00:27:29:07 - 00:27:52:03
+Unknown
+The Puritan istic stance tends to be in whatever emotional way that the things that, that offend my senses or the things that I believe are on, are immoral. are unjust and should be prohibited. That that tends to be the Puritan istic standpoint. And so I think what this is going to be is it's going to be multiple Puritans just arguing with each other.
+
+00:27:52:08 - 00:28:06:52
+Unknown
+and we get to kind of sit from the sidelines into have a look at it. So is there a difference between unjust and unjustifiable? no. Those are one in the same.
+
+00:28:06:57 - 00:28:33:00
+Unknown
+I created my own post in response, with many details of further explain how his wording an intention sounded homophobic. please check it out if you're genuinely curious about what he said. So this is interesting because they sounded homophobic and is what the hell? I don't know what the deal with that was. Why did it do this? Okay, like a jump to the bottom of the thread for some reason.
+
+00:28:33:05 - 00:28:51:34
+Unknown
+I don't really care how they sounded. I cared like actually what happened, what was actually literally being communicated. Because if you if you, if you try to go about like with what sounded homophobic, effectively what you're trying to do is you're trying to excuse the masses for being upset about it when the masses are acting irrationally.
+
+00:28:51:34 - 00:29:16:12
+Unknown
+I don't think there's any justification you can have for that. If they were behaving rationally and interpreting the words to mean what they literally did not mean, then there shouldn't really be much of a, you know, much of a problem in just saying, like, well, this is what the words actually meant. And all the masses who were being irrational about this are wrong.
+
+00:29:16:21 - 00:29:46:10
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know why that's so difficult. but I also don't know if you can you can say to somebody that your intentions sound homophobic. Intentions don't sound like anything. Intentions of things that you perceive over the time of somebody, somebody speaking or acting like you have to look at their actions and infer their intentions. And given that you have to infer them, that means that it's not exactly, not exactly a full proof standard that you can hold.
+
+00:29:46:15 - 00:29:59:37
+Unknown
+So I reckon that's pretty irrational. And, you know, not not particularly relevant to an actual ethical, judgment of of the topic at hand. You.
+
+00:29:59:42 - 00:30:26:44
+Unknown
+Google says otherwise. A bit about the difference between unjust and unjustifiable. I don't I don't I don't know, it depends on, what Google's definition is, but. I don't know if I'm operating off the same definitions as Google. Don't click that. It's a scam. Well, thank you for letting me know. I guess. I'm drinking a Caramel Ribbon Crunch Frappuccino.
+
+00:30:26:49 - 00:30:31:48
+Unknown
+Those are you. You made all those words up.
+
+00:30:31:53 - 00:30:44:35
+Unknown
+He doubled down and repeated repeatedly and would repost the comic on different platforms, even after the backlash, and to this day, extremely misconstrued as a criticism. And his own actions.
+
+00:30:44:40 - 00:31:01:45
+Unknown
+I don't know. I don't know about this. This is interesting. Whole time I would keep the comic up and take the criticism that comes with it. And I'm saying that because some folks are missing the message of how there's people in that, there's people that for certain romantic slash sexual shapes between two characters of the same sex, unprovoked.
+
+00:31:01:49 - 00:31:31:30
+Unknown
+Well, yes, there are people who like to ship these characters unprovoked, but they force these certain ships unprovoked, like force. In what way? Like force. Are you referring to forces in? Like they passionately come shouting the praises of this, this character, Rex, this character, like, I don't know, like people could be passionate about ships and without that necessarily being something to be like, offended by.
+
+00:31:31:30 - 00:31:54:59
+Unknown
+I don't know. Add in the pro ship, a term probably took folks off guard if they don't know the full definition, so I slick. I guess it's cut off. Got accused of being homophobic, calling the LGBTQ plus community pro shippers and said I compared gay ships to incest. So, you know, like, obviously I can see if people read it that way.
+
+00:31:54:59 - 00:32:28:39
+Unknown
+The like why they'd be pissed about that. but like, generally speaking, if you're on the pro ship, like because I reckon so you've got like a spectrum and you've got a spectrum of like, let's nothing is okay to, to ship outside of canon all the way to every single ship is okay whatsoever. Right. and he's like, however much down the line from, from, you know, one side of that, that, that spectrum.
+
+00:32:28:39 - 00:32:47:06
+Unknown
+And so everybody to his like, left, let's say, on that spectrum is going to appear to be more similar to pro ship is than he is because they're closer to a pro ship or on that spectrum than he is. But like it doesn't really matter because like, you should probably just be a little more specific about what you're referring to.
+
+00:32:47:11 - 00:33:07:57
+Unknown
+like, I don't know, did he actually, like, say that this is this makes me want to dig into the original thread here, because it's kind of funny that like when you have like, like it's like they're just trying to, like, destroy reputation entirely. And I get that. That's generally like the point, right?
+
+00:33:08:02 - 00:33:15:27
+Unknown
+I swear I'd seen this one.
+
+00:33:15:32 - 00:33:22:43
+Unknown
+Where do I find this thing?
+
+00:33:22:48 - 00:33:41:24
+Unknown
+Okay, here it is. Here is the original. And I think I think this was a repost. So this was one of those those infamous reposts that, that this right grade was, was talking about here enjoying two characters, engaging with each other. That's such a cute couple. I love how gay they are for each other. Really? I don't see it.
+
+00:33:41:24 - 00:34:09:16
+Unknown
+They're already being intimate. What's the harm in shipping? It's all fictional, so it's not harming anyone IRL. If I think do people look like a cute couple, I'm going to ship them together so I don't care. I don't really think that this is like that controversial because like, this is generally the pro shipping stance, but I don't really know if it's that controversial.
+
+00:34:09:21 - 00:34:13:32
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know.
+
+00:34:13:37 - 00:34:35:56
+Unknown
+Like where on the spectrum ought we to be from his perspective? Like, I don't know if it's necessarily clear yet. I'm imagining it's a slushy brain. Well, I hope you get many calories out of it, I suppose. Don't you think that's weird? I respect proper representation, I don't respect, I don't respect proper representation. Like, what does that even mean?
+
+00:34:35:56 - 00:34:40:41
+Unknown
+Proper representation.
+
+00:34:40:46 - 00:35:07:46
+Unknown
+Like, it's it's kind of funny, like you saying all of the virtue signal, things like that. He's supposed to say, you know, that the, the, the chorus has, has told him that it's permitted to say like the, the collective, the collective approved body. opinion on the matter. of of representation in fiction. the some dynamics of media are just platonic fun.
+
+00:35:07:58 - 00:35:43:22
+Unknown
+Have you ever seen a normal relationship that wasn't intimate in a romantic or sexual way at all? This is an interesting sort of line because, like, he is sort of saying that like, can you is it possible for you to view characters outside of the romantic as sexual? you know, does the platonic exist? It's a fair question to ask, because there are many who are just kind of sexually obsessed, and that's kind of like everything to them is like, well, you know, what is fiction?
+
+00:35:43:22 - 00:35:54:40
+Unknown
+If it's not exploring some sort of some sort of a sexual theme, like where all the how can I how can I read this? There are no pictures, right?
+
+00:35:54:45 - 00:36:30:42
+Unknown
+So it's kind of a fair question. Right. I respect proper, proper representation. This is just a collectivist viewpoint though, so it's kind of funny. It's kind of just funny to see the collectivists eating each other because, it's almost as if the moment somebody attempts to have any standard whatsoever, even if the standard is kind of, pathetic and irrational, then the equally pathetic and irrational standards, you know, rise up against it and it just ends up being a mess.
+
+00:36:30:46 - 00:36:53:31
+Unknown
+But like, this is the same sort of thing that made me kind of despise this comic in this creator's comics in the first place. It's just because, like, it's constant demonization of the people who disagree with them. And so, like, I can agree with the people who, who don't like the things that he's made that, you know, this there's this constant demonization.
+
+00:36:53:31 - 00:37:17:30
+Unknown
+But he also, I don't know, he also toes their lines plenty of the time. So this is just, the collectivists consuming their own. What, are you, homophobic? You must hate same sex couples if you're that bothered by a harmless ship. Typical cis het. Why am I labeled a homophobe but not agreeing with your gay shit pairing? This is interesting.
+
+00:37:17:34 - 00:37:42:03
+Unknown
+This is an interesting thing to say. Like. Agreeing with your gay ship pairing, like I. How much of this is supposed to be objective? And how much of this is supposed to be like just subjective fun? Where you just doing, like, whatever you feel like? I don't know,
+
+00:37:42:08 - 00:38:12:24
+Unknown
+It, it seems to me as if he doesn't know how to toe the line, between the actual philosophical position that he wants to take because he's an artist. And artists, are very often confused on how to concretize their beliefs so that they can actually have a philosophy that they can put into words like whatsoever. like it tends to be a bit of a problem.
+
+00:38:12:28 - 00:38:46:01
+Unknown
+This isn't about sexuality. I just don't see them getting along that way. And some characters are literally asexual, so it just feels rude to do it. Well, it's kind of interesting, given that the characters, it's like, if you've got asexual characters, is it all right to ship them? If you got, you know, a straight character or is it all right to ship them do, because I reckon a lot of the time and people were talking about like something to do with like how shipping is associated with queerness and I reckon that's just a kind of an odd thing to say in general.
+
+00:38:46:01 - 00:39:14:40
+Unknown
+But like, at what point is it okay to ship a character outside of what in canon that character is literally supposed to be? I'm like, I'm not quite certain. I don't think he's quite certain either. But like, I think there could be a, a standard that could be drawn on this, that that could be intellectually consistent. It just doesn't seem as if there is an intellectually consistent line that he's explicitly making explicitly.
+
+00:39:14:40 - 00:39:29:53
+Unknown
+Right. Why do we even care so much? It's not that deep, and it's literally fiction. If you don't like it, just go outside and touch. Gross. If you want to cry about it that much. Creators of media should expect shipping in their fandom, so I don't know why you're making such a big deal about it when you can just ignore it.
+
+00:39:29:58 - 00:39:57:31
+Unknown
+and again, like this. It definitely is. Conflation of pro shipping. so I guess, like it's fair enough if he thinks pro shipping is such a bad thing that that he's drawing this line and saying, okay, like where I draw the line, where does he draw the line? I don't know, effectively, he's saying that if you use pro shipping standards and pro shipping arguments, then you should think harder about which arguments you're going to make.
+
+00:39:57:36 - 00:40:26:52
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, because can somebody simultaneously use these pro shipping arguments? and also not be a pro shipper? I don't know. Because people like you were the reason that people turn homophobic and can't enjoy fandoms due to toxic fans, fanatics like you. Well, that's interesting. But is he saying that they're like, I don't know, this.
+
+00:40:26:52 - 00:40:49:55
+Unknown
+This kind of does almost sound like it's sort of the conservative line. to draw where it's like the entire reason why there are people who don't like you is due to your behavior. So maybe you should adjust your behavior so that the perceptions of the fandom, or perceptions of the group as a whole in the minds of other people are not, not so frustrated.
+
+00:40:49:55 - 00:40:53:28
+Unknown
+Right? Like.
+
+00:40:53:33 - 00:41:12:49
+Unknown
+It's interesting that he would make this point, and I and I understand why people would be pissed about it. I don't know, it's like if you're a puritan among Puritans, you should just expect to be burned at the stake at some point. Right?
+
+00:41:12:54 - 00:41:44:58
+Unknown
+Bitch. Excuse me. It's not ridiculous to say that most of most of y'all truly glorify sexualities like a trend or esthetic. Then treat the straight ships like a taboo. Gay and straight ships can coexist normally. Well, but the interesting thing about this is that, like the entire impetus of this is that, is that shipping ought to be like.
+
+00:41:45:03 - 00:41:55:48
+Unknown
+Like like he seems to be saying that shipping ought to be, like only canonical. There's like, well, I don't really see that at all.
+
+00:41:55:53 - 00:42:17:49
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, I can simultaneously think it's weird that somebody sees a straight, or just two characters that aren't, you know, all over each other and then says, like, there's such a cute gay couple. It's like, okay, they're not gay. You just shipping them, right? but I still reckon that shipping them is like, perfectly fine thing to do.
+
+00:42:17:54 - 00:42:21:38
+Unknown
+I don't know.
+
+00:42:21:43 - 00:42:51:13
+Unknown
+Or at least that is not inherently, at least that is not illegal. You know, in a in a moral sense, it's it's permissible even if it's no excuse. Okay. Permissibility has to do with ethics. But like, legality, I don't know. I'm still trying to wrap my head around like, the natural law understanding because like every single time I say illegal, people will just think of like whatever the state says, it's okay for you to do, which is not what I mean.
+
+00:42:51:18 - 00:43:07:21
+Unknown
+but, lots of things that I am kind of trying to think about here. I think you're insane to say that I'm to blame for people's bigotry. As if homophobia hasn't been around for decades. I just want to enjoy my ships without people being so disrespectful about it all. There's nothing wrong with shipping until it gets weird.
+
+00:43:07:21 - 00:43:48:54
+Unknown
+And you have pro shippers and people who bash and harass others who are simply not agreeing with their ships. But if you're simply not agreeing with their ships, that's different than saying that I have a an ethical, bone to pick with your ships. And I reckon that the lack of ambiguity like the lack of specificity on this post, is probably what people were angry about, because it's like you should probably be making a distinction between taking an ethical stance against somebody pro shipping, saying that it is not morally permissible for you to ship these two characters together for a reason.
+
+00:43:48:59 - 00:44:21:27
+Unknown
+and saying that like, maybe you should like, it's perfectly fine to ship, but the moment that you're like, sort of regaling somebody for for saying that, like, I don't really see it that way. then you're kind of in the wrong for that. Like, I record you can you can take that stance, but you should probably say that instead of kind of not being clear enough about, like, what was actually being like, what's what's the actual stance being taken here?
+
+00:44:21:27 - 00:44:42:00
+Unknown
+Right. because it's not that they're not agreeing with you or ships. Like, what does it even necessarily mean to not agree with the ship? It's like, I disagree with that ship, as in, like I don't also ship those characters. Or is it like I don't agree with that ship is in. I reckon that you should stick to the canon.
+
+00:44:42:05 - 00:45:06:34
+Unknown
+Or is it that I don't agree with that in a moral sense, I think there is a moral implication to you shipping these two characters, because that something about each character means that they ought not be considered romantically or sexually compatible. in an ethical sense. Like these are very different, stances to take, and you should be clear about which stance that you are taking.
+
+00:45:06:39 - 00:45:26:10
+Unknown
+I reckon that this is actually too wordy without being specific enough. So a lot of this is just sort of drivel that you could simplify to saying, this is the claim that I am making. This is the moral position that I am taking, right? Shipping wars and shipping culture is toxic and chaotic, but you can be one of the good apples.
+
+00:45:26:15 - 00:45:33:18
+Unknown
+Interesting. The shipping culture in general is toxic and chaotic.
+
+00:45:33:23 - 00:45:52:01
+Unknown
+I think the the, the chaotic nature of it all is, is sort of by design. And it's not necessarily a problem that it's chaotic. The issue is when it becomes toxic to use as buzz word. Let's keep some buzzwords in mind because those are going to come up later. Yeah, some people can be very passionate with queer representation.
+
+00:45:52:01 - 00:46:11:52
+Unknown
+It can look very obnoxious in other people's eyes when it's being rubbed in their face a lot. Fact. Same with NSFW art. Is that overt oversexualized characters in gross ways? Who the fuck is that? I don't know, you just came out of nowhere, dude. I'm scared. Thanks for reading everybody. Hopefully this comic taught you something new, but if not, oh well.
+
+00:46:11:52 - 00:46:39:09
+Unknown
+How is he talking about the how should I know? I don't know what that means. Okay, so it's he's making a, He's making a major point. So that's just a that's just a joke. Then what is this? Suspended account. Excellent. Wonderful. So he's effectively saying that,
+
+00:46:39:14 - 00:47:23:30
+Unknown
+The I don't know, this is funny, very passionate. With queer representation. It can look very obnoxious in other people's eyes. I reckon that these are two statements that are perfectly fine to say, but, like, it's kind of funny because the Collectivists don't allow any sort of entertainment of this line of reasoning at all, because the entire point, you know, if you're talking about, you know, gay pride and queer, queer representation, like it's entirely to promote the interests of the collective for the sake of, you know, shouting the praises of the collective like being passionate with queer anything is sort of the entire point of the pride movement, right?
+
+00:47:23:34 - 00:47:51:38
+Unknown
+Like it's it's interesting that that is that that is a point that he reckon he could make without, without receiving backlash from the people. who somehow managed to be like, more collectivist than him, I suppose. Like, I don't know, I guess this is sort of the the trouble that you that you end up hitting with, with new movements.
+
+00:47:51:43 - 00:48:27:56
+Unknown
+You've got a movement that is obsessed with this collective, framing of reality and experience and whatnot. and the collectivism and the sort of getting poisoned with, with Puritanism. And then you have, like, the passionate sort of, unabashedly, people clashing with the like, okay, if we can just calm down a little bit and not be so crazy about it,
+
+00:48:28:01 - 00:48:52:42
+Unknown
+I reckon I just sort of see this as two retards fighting, right? Like, I don't I don't really like, I don't really care. Like they're all collectivist in a sense. Like, I reckon. I reckon like it's perfectly permissible for people to be like just doing whatever the hell they want. While it may not be morally good for them to do, like, there shouldn't really be any, that there we go.
+
+00:48:52:48 - 00:49:00:07
+Unknown
+Live flagged for hate speech and hateful behavior. There we go. We hit it.
+
+00:49:00:12 - 00:49:10:14
+Unknown
+Funny, I guess I shouldn't just I just shouldn't say that word in particular.
+
+00:49:10:19 - 00:49:15:25
+Unknown
+It hit that immediately. That's interesting.
+
+00:49:15:30 - 00:49:50:13
+Unknown
+So, yeah, I don't really take a stance on that necessarily. Like I reckon I agree with, like there's not much of a problem with just having fun with it. even if it's, even if there are moral cases, I don't reckon it's the place of like, Puritans. Like in the sense that, like, people can scream about it, like, you know, someone can make that whatever, problematic ship that they want to make, and then those other people can scream about it as well.
+
+00:49:50:13 - 00:50:29:12
+Unknown
+And there's not really any issue with that. I don't think so, judging from what I saw in that, he did not compare gay ships to incest. That is absolutely not something that he did. he compared the defense that people were making, like, like he, he observed, I reckon, and I think it's fair to observe that the defense, that defense is that are being used in both cases are, they're using the same defenses, like, I reckon that's fair to observe.
+
+00:50:29:16 - 00:50:34:12
+Unknown
+I don't know, this is this is interesting territory.
+
+00:50:34:17 - 00:50:58:39
+Unknown
+But, like, he didn't he definitely didn't say that gay ships are the same thing as incestuous. It incestuous ships. He was saying that you probably shouldn't be using the same arguments to defend gay ships as the kind of arguments that pro ship is make to defend these other sort of problematic ships, right? I don't him directly in order to re-explain myself in hopes he'd change his mind.
+
+00:50:58:39 - 00:51:13:53
+Unknown
+But that didn't work, as shown in the in the screenshot where no matter what I said, he wouldn't seem to couldn't seem to grasp what I was saying. So I left the convo. so what I'm hearing is that you're going to keep it up. Heard you. Please. I'm trying to read, not trying to read paragraphs all day.
+
+00:51:13:53 - 00:51:31:09
+Unknown
+I understand I said that in the very first message. I came to you in hopes that I would get you to understand where I'm coming from. I was already upset before because even after you back, back, even after you got backlash, the first time you reposted it on Twitter, pinned it on you TikTok, and re-uploaded it on Insta as if you didn't care.
+
+00:51:31:13 - 00:51:37:55
+Unknown
+I don't really know if your intentions are clear.
+
+00:51:38:00 - 00:51:59:33
+Unknown
+This is just stupid drama. That is not the next thing. I don't know why it was doing that. That is not the next thing. Okay, I believe this would be the end of it and I thought he would change. But lo and behold, that is not the if you don't understand what you're trying to reference when you say that because you didn't, that's not right.
+
+00:51:59:38 - 00:52:05:53
+Unknown
+I'm actually going to move myself over here probably a little bit better.
+
+00:52:05:58 - 00:52:24:16
+Unknown
+I believe, below be behold, he got called out on Twitter for several inappropriately worded comics. I'm not a therapist slash psychologist and neither a C, so I didn't speak on these topic directly. Many other people did though, just such as user on Twitter, and you'll see hundreds of posts like the one on the right. so the original thing says Glizzy, nonchalant.
+
+00:52:24:16 - 00:52:57:02
+Unknown
+Delusional. I'm in my blank era. Duluth Lu ratio, nonverbal resource, IC, ADHD, tism, autistic neurodivergent project projecting simp my simp mid nuanced toxic, my toxic trait trauma, intrusive thoughts, problematic hyper fixate trigger all of these words overused to death. So this is very bloody interesting, isn't it? This is very interesting because we briefly mentioned buzzwords before he used this precise buzz word.
+
+00:52:57:07 - 00:53:20:46
+Unknown
+So it's kind of interesting that he would point out that, well, there are loads of buzz words out there. There's lots of buzz words going on. it's hard to even know what these words mean anymore. He also uses the word problematic in a in another comic at least. so probably uses loads of other other ones that these buzzwords, some of these glizzy sorceries.
+
+00:53:20:51 - 00:53:50:52
+Unknown
+ick. like they don't really. Yeah. The Lulu ratio, like these are referring to things that have like no real ethical value. Right? Like it's not one way or another how overused this word is. It's still kind of has it's it has a consistent meaning. Like you can use those words to death. And the only thing that they're going to get is stale.
+
+00:53:50:52 - 00:54:13:22
+Unknown
+They're not going to lose that meaning because like, a lot of these are just referring to a specific concept that is that is common in the, in the social vernacular. You know, the cultural vernacular, I should say, so like those can't necessarily be buzz words, though they can certainly be overused, I suppose. they just get stale.
+
+00:54:13:22 - 00:54:43:24
+Unknown
+Right? A lot of these other ones are, what is it? Because, in certain philosophical circles, I call them spooks, but I forget what it's, it's it's bromide. It's just like a concept that people swallow, irrationally because, like, it's just sort of absorbed passively from the culture. This is definitely an objectivist. observation here.
+
+00:54:43:39 - 00:54:50:26
+Unknown
+Like, loads of these just don't don't really,
+
+00:54:50:31 - 00:55:25:08
+Unknown
+Loads of these, like, being just used and absorbed from culture, haphazardly. When the meanings behind them originally used to mean something. and now they're, they've become broadened because people are misusing them, applying them to, to context that, they literally did not apply to previously. And it sort of blinds, people's judgment because they begin viewing behaviors and concepts, and collapsing them into broader and broader concepts.
+
+00:55:25:08 - 00:55:52:46
+Unknown
+So, you know, everything becomes, Tism, everything becomes ADHD. I'm just so ADHD, everything becomes, you know, neurodivergent to the point that, you aren't really able to even know what any of them what what it means at all. Like, what's what's an example?
+
+00:55:52:51 - 00:56:29:13
+Unknown
+What's an example? Like, I reckon you could do it with any sort of behavior that somebody takes. Like if anybody does a behavior, you know, if anybody acts in a manner, that seems remotely similar to their like dull understanding of, of what autism is or what neurodivergent is, then it just ends up being like, you know, it invokes this very basic, very broad concept and it's like, okay, that is ADHD, right?
+
+00:56:29:13 - 00:56:56:54
+Unknown
+That is autistic. It's like, okay, but now you're now you've begun applying to this this to situations that doesn't really apply to. Right. Like, I think that this some of these that end up being like, they're invoking like collectivist culture, cultural norms, and assumed premises that probably shouldn't be assumed. And, you know, probably shouldn't be, entertained whatsoever.
+
+00:56:57:01 - 00:57:25:26
+Unknown
+So, like, I think it's fair enough to sort of point out that, like, I don't know what you mean by this. I don't know if you know what you mean by this. And whatever you do mean by and whatever everybody tends to mean by it. it seems to be so unspecific that, you can just apply to anything that before was just sort of like a thing that happened, and you could actually view it as an individual occurrence of, of something and, and, view it on its merits, whereas now you have to collapse it into this framework.
+
+00:57:25:26 - 00:57:56:06
+Unknown
+And I was on ancap doggos, discord server and there was a person named Darkest Marxist choke on on there about, about cancel culture. And, you know, I think the point that he was making maybe overall true that, you know, it's a buzz word cancel culture. And it's it's being used to apply to things that aren't even, that otherwise they wouldn't have been used to apply to before the term existed.
+
+00:57:56:06 - 00:58:25:55
+Unknown
+So like the the existence of the term has made people hyper aware of the concept. And so now they're kind of like freaking out anything remotely, similar happens to the context. but I reckon, like his entire point that he was making was simply out of convenience because he's a Marxist. And so when, people on the left behave in a way, he will rush to, rush to defend it because, well, he does.
+
+00:58:26:00 - 00:58:54:21
+Unknown
+He understands that, his enemies won't use, won't use the, the defense. won't use the offensive tactics. And and even though his defense will cover, cover, their use of the same offensive offensive tactics is banking on them, not using those tactics as much so that he can allow his his ilk to get away with it. even if he gets, he ends up catching a couple of wasps when he catches flies.
+
+00:58:54:21 - 00:58:59:04
+Unknown
+Right.
+
+00:58:59:09 - 00:59:30:01
+Unknown
+But that that was a different a different issue entirely. the highlighted words are things I suffer with. My condition is not a fucking buzz word. It's real and affects millions of people. People like you for reasons mental health isn't taken seriously. But the funny part about this is that this is just irrational. Like the the the person who's responding to this doesn't understand that the point that is being made here is that all of these things being overused to death and becoming buzzwords is not a probably not a good thing in the case of many of these real things.
+
+00:59:30:01 - 00:59:56:51
+Unknown
+So ADHD, neurodivergent, autistic, hyper fixations like you should probably not have these turn into buzzwords, and you should only use those words when you know that they clinically apply or you know when you have a pretty damn good idea that they apply so that these words aren't collapsed into concepts that actually devalue, you know, mental health. So, you know, he's he's he's saying like, people like your reasons, mental health is taken seriously.
+
+00:59:56:51 - 01:00:18:31
+Unknown
+The original point is that if you allow these terms to collapse into buzzwords, then mental health won't be taken seriously. That's the entire point. I don't know how that's not seen here. There's really nothing wrong with pointing out that all of these have become buzzwords. So like he's saying, these words have become buzzwords. They probably shouldn't be used as buzzwords.
+
+01:00:18:36 - 01:00:47:24
+Unknown
+this person saying those words are not buzzwords. Every single time everybody uses them, they're legitimately used. That's ridiculous. Like, there comes a point where if a word is used so many times, it almost certainly is going to be used in, especially if it's, if it's invoking a concept that is not even well understood in the field that it exists in, like in the field that exists to study that thing in particular.
+
+01:00:47:38 - 01:01:23:31
+Unknown
+Autism is much better understood now than it was previously. but it's still not very well understood. The the term neurodivergent in and of itself is a blanket umbrella term used to refer to, just generally speaking, in, in, like, what is it abnormal psychology, like, these people are generally different from the population in the sense that we have to kind of, forget about all of these generalized, specified like aspects of psychology.
+
+01:01:23:31 - 01:01:51:21
+Unknown
+And we have to actually bring in, like an old alternate psychology, because the psychological model is breaking down because it doesn't quite work on this kind of person, because they're different enough from the people that, that these, models would generally created to understand, like this is this is already like, a blanket term that the scope of it isn't quite understood, in the field where it's actually used scientifically.
+
+01:01:51:21 - 01:02:10:59
+Unknown
+So it's like there should probably be some standards as to what terms you're invoking in order to, and, and what those how those terms connect to concepts like what do you actually mean by this.
+
+01:02:11:04 - 01:02:38:34
+Unknown
+But like the only way that this person can take this position is if they were to say that every single time any of these words are used, it's never a, a a buzz word. And it's like, well, yeah. Like, unless I'm misreading this entirely, but I don't think I am. Like, this is another user responding to this, assuming that this is saying that all of these words are buzzwords and should stop being used, I don't think that's what it's saying at all.
+
+01:02:38:34 - 01:03:02:04
+Unknown
+It's saying that it's like, I don't even know what you mean by this anymore because it's so overused. Maybe you should stop overusing them. That's like sort of the implication here. I don't know why that's difficult to say. Anyway. to one day he posted a school shoot, a comic for fun. So yeah, I haven't I haven't read this comic, but I have a feeling that this is kind of an unfair, an unfair framing of it because I've seen little bits and pieces of the comic.
+
+01:03:02:04 - 01:03:31:09
+Unknown
+It seems to be a very like a very dark sort of psychological exploration of like. I don't know, like, like this it's own self-contained universe. And I'm not quite I'm not quite ready to say that, like it's a school shoot, a comic. But he says, I'll read this world of all evil with my wand die! Monsters die. And it's clearly not a wand.
+
+01:03:31:13 - 01:03:51:54
+Unknown
+It's a gun. And he's shooting people right? I sense it, this. Not only did he write the killer as the victim, but he made an entire series of swords that even drew the shooter teaming up with a serial murderer, all for fun. I don't even know if that's necessarily what's going on here, because that's the thing I like.
+
+01:03:51:54 - 01:04:14:22
+Unknown
+I'm already kind of motivated not to take this person seriously, and it's kind of funny because it's like, I don't I don't agree with the person. you know, in any sense, universally, I'm not generally on the side of a hero here, but like, I reckon there's nothing. I reckon the reasons for opposing somebody are probably ought not to be based simply on whim.
+
+01:04:14:22 - 01:04:22:25
+Unknown
+It's like, oh, this thing spooked me or something. It did. It's, offended my senses. Right?
+
+01:04:22:30 - 01:04:38:07
+Unknown
+But that's okay. They're just mean monsters. So you find yourself waiting for the new day ahead, looking forward to creating brand new memories. Special ones. It was obviously called out for this in the lack of of trigger warning on the comic, which he was baffled by for some reason, and stopped the comics for a while. It might weaken.
+
+01:04:38:07 - 01:05:02:49
+Unknown
+The fuck would this comic need a trigger warning for disturbing imagery? Blood depictions of death? Are you dead, Alice? I'm not even quite certain how to take that. that definitely does seem very odd, considering, like, I don't like this is clearly like what that is. So, like, this is I'm pretty certain that based on the other things that he's posted, that he's.
+
+01:05:02:49 - 01:05:30:00
+Unknown
+Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I saw, earlier today another comic that he posted that it's like, yeah, it's the same like, but he has done content warnings on things before, so it's kind of funny that he would just be like kind of baffled by it. So because he doesn't think that trigger warning shouldn't, you know, are not a requirement universally he reckons that they're a requirement sometimes, but he just didn't understand why this one ought to have it.
+
+01:05:30:05 - 01:05:57:42
+Unknown
+Which is interesting because it seems to be. It seems as if it would, would contain those things. So like, I don't know, unless you reckon that trigger warnings, content content warnings or things that you're just not going to provide people regardless, then. I'm not quite certain how you could, you could take that stance of just like, what do you even mean, kind of weird?
+
+01:05:57:46 - 01:06:21:51
+Unknown
+Only to come back months later with a comic reply depicting himself shooting his critics in the face? Seriously, what the fuck? Then going on about how it's fiction so it doesn't matter. And beating his critics out to be the real villains. So this is interesting. okay, so he's got pumped up kicks, which is like the school shooter song, I don't know, making the regret, making the Wizard kid, to be honest.
+
+01:06:21:55 - 01:06:33:20
+Unknown
+What is it? What does it mean necessarily?
+
+01:06:33:25 - 01:06:57:45
+Unknown
+because this is the interesting thing about this. Like shooting his critics in the face, like the issue was always that he demonized the people who he disagreed with. Like, I'm not certain. You should be surprised, necessarily, that this is the way that he operates, logically speaking, like there are probably too many people who just sort of glorify that kind of thing.
+
+01:06:57:50 - 01:07:34:06
+Unknown
+But I don't reckon that, the people who are, the people who are, criticizing him would say that that is necessarily wrong because, I don't know. Let's just say that these sorts of people going off of group data here generally don't care about the invoking the concept of simply, in a brutish sense, just disposing with the people who they disagree with, like, I don't I don't know if that's necessarily something that they dialectically oppose.
+
+01:07:34:06 - 01:07:59:01
+Unknown
+Right. Sure. If he wants to have that stance, he can. But he's a hypocrite. He has absolutely no right to grab on queer artists. Drawing up ships if he's going to claim is insensitive. Comics are just fictions. So. So while the queer ships who hate so much halos, halos. The interesting thing about this is that when you look at this clearly he's he's being tongue in cheek about this.
+
+01:07:59:06 - 01:08:32:19
+Unknown
+Like what he's doing here. And I'm not saying it's not a mistake, but what he's clearly doing here is he's saying the people who disagree with me in this instance, the people who are criticizing me in this instance, are criticizing me because I drew something that was, disturbing, right? However, in the past, people who disagree with me as well, they made the defense that it's just fiction.
+
+01:08:32:23 - 01:08:53:35
+Unknown
+So therefore it just being fiction, if if you hold that stands, you also can't be upset with the things that I've created because you don't have any standards on this because it's just fiction. So you don't really have any good right to be upset about it, because you were the one who was saying that all fiction is, immune from criticism.
+
+01:08:53:40 - 01:08:57:29
+Unknown
+Now.
+
+01:08:57:34 - 01:09:20:33
+Unknown
+Like, I don't think the irony is lost on him that he's using this where it's like, but but also like, look at this. You have clearly what this character is, is the same character. He's saying. It's a wand, and now it's a gun, right? And there's the blood and everything. And so in the fantasy world, it's just a wand.
+
+01:09:20:38 - 01:09:51:38
+Unknown
+And he's got a cape and he's got his wizard hat, and he's a wizard in the real world, he's actually killing people, like, get a grip with reality. This is clearly not a stance that he's taking. Like, this is clearly a thing where he's the irony is not lost on him. He's demonstrating that this is a character, like almost in a social, experimental kind of sense like that.
+
+01:09:51:39 - 01:09:59:57
+Unknown
+That's almost what it seems like is, is that he's saying like.
+
+01:10:00:01 - 01:10:28:37
+Unknown
+You know, I can do all of these things and portray all of these things this way. And it's not okay due to how offensive it is for I suppose it kind of goes back to this. Right. let me see. Hopefully this doesn't screw up my windows and whatnot.
+
+01:10:28:42 - 01:10:44:33
+Unknown
+Like it kind of goes back to this image right? Like, Archer could comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable, but it should never, ever disturb me in particular.
+
+01:10:44:38 - 01:11:05:31
+Unknown
+Like, I'm kind of wondering if this is a if this is a moral position that is been or an ethical. Well, same thing. This is a position that has been taken by both of both of these camps simultaneously, that it's like, you know, all art is okay. And you know, if it's offensive to you, then it wasn't meant for.
+
+01:11:05:31 - 01:11:28:00
+Unknown
+You were, like, you're just like, did you get over it? Because, like, it's taking this stance of whatever the hell. Oh, I don't know how. I didn't realize that I was still, sheep it on my on my streaming back. That's probably not good. That may have affected my encoding for a while. Woops. Like, I don't know, I reckon,
+
+01:11:28:04 - 01:11:47:15
+Unknown
+Like, maybe I'll take the classic eyed up stance on this and either all of it's okay. Yeah, none of it's okay. and I'd point I'd say that to both of these people. I'd say, say, you know, to both,
+
+01:11:47:20 - 01:12:19:38
+Unknown
+Like simultaneously, if you want to get offended over, over, things, then you can do so. But if you, if you want to have a standard on these things and they should, it should probably be a rational standard, like, I don't know. Does it end there still? No. Around this time, who was also publicly accused of potentially grooming someone and dating him once they freshly 18 and sexually harassing two friends of his by amok cat, which he then admitted was true while watering down his own crappy actions.
+
+01:12:19:38 - 01:12:48:33
+Unknown
+Of course. Please check out the full story highlight on their account. This is interesting because it's like, I don't know why you need to like, talk about all of this other irrelevant shit when what you should probably be talking about is just this thing. Like it. It almost seems as if you just want to draw upon as many reasons as you possibly can as to why you hate this person, which is it?
+
+01:12:48:36 - 01:12:56:22
+Unknown
+It doesn't seem very rational to do. It's like, I just dislike this guy and I'm going to dig up as much crap on him as possible.
+
+01:12:56:27 - 01:13:25:55
+Unknown
+Like, I was taking principled positions against him previously. more so because he was advocating for like a rational positions entirely and his, or perhaps that the positions he came to may be common with rational positions, but the entire reasoning was off and, you know, justified some correction in that sense, I don't know, inappropriate sexual behavior to you or w could coercion.
+
+01:13:25:55 - 01:13:58:33
+Unknown
+He had been coercive back in 2018, there was an incident that nearly broke about a friend group because Lance was pressuring a girl he was talking to to expose himself on camera and succeeded in pressuring her. Although I condemned him. I thought he could redeem himself. But in 2021, he he would also be inappropriate with me by pushing past my boundaries, which was incredibly triggering a made me break down as I've had my own situation with coercion and blackmail with my ex, his response to coercion amid that, and being a victim and and also being a victim to that, was due to me being high and putting her in a very uncomfortable position due
+
+01:13:58:33 - 01:14:22:39
+Unknown
+to my, own sexual behavior. After realizing I have an apology kink, which I instantly apologized for in that moment, as I saw how much it triggered and upset her, telling her I wouldn't be put her in a position like that again. After apologizing to her once more in regards to of my toxic relationship history with women slash femmes, bloody hell.
+
+01:14:22:44 - 01:14:48:51
+Unknown
+All of this is just complete nonsense. This is just just utter drivel. Most, most problematic due to emotionally and emotionally unavailability, excellent or commitment issues. The misogynistic comments mentioned was from my obnoxious rant that stemmed from my anger towards a woman that upset me in a situation I spoke to. This is the interesting thing is that his response is entirely truncated.
+
+01:14:48:55 - 01:15:17:40
+Unknown
+Like there's no way that anybody can make a fair assessment of this, this issue without like, trying to really dig into it. it's it's kind of funny that, like, someone would make something that's so un comprehensive in the first place and, incomprehensible. Right? Like. My takeaway from this is, again, if you're a Puritan among Puritans, you should expect to find yourself burned at the stake eventually.
+
+01:15:17:45 - 01:15:51:45
+Unknown
+Sooner or later, it's going to happen. So it's kind of like, I don't know, cry about it. Like there's so much about this where there's all of this virtue signaling and everything, and you participate in the cancel culture, you know, meaning that you are just out there for blood, looking to be able to condemn anybody whatsoever that you see, who just so happens to offend you and whatever petty way.
+
+01:15:51:50 - 01:16:22:05
+Unknown
+That is you that is to say, you operate, operate by the principle that you reckon that nobody who disagrees with you should be allowed, you know, should should be permitted to exist. and you'll take as many steps as you can, you know, as the, as the collective permits you to currently. in order to make it more and more possible that that person ceases to exist.
+
+01:16:22:10 - 01:16:41:51
+Unknown
+so, you know, at first it starts to be like you, you're trying to rabble rouse everybody and be like, this person's an evil person, and you might make up things, you might exaggerate things. And either way, you're just going to be like, yeah, this person's piece of shit. Fuck em. Right.
+
+01:16:41:56 - 01:17:08:45
+Unknown
+But the only reason you do that, is because you can't, you know, personally affect their ability to make an income and to feed themselves, because if you could, then you'd be doing that. And so then if you can do that, you do. And so, you know, you're going to dox and harass and you're going to, try to get people's discord servers shut down or whatever the hell, and you're going to attempt to get them deplatformed and you got to do all of that until they've got nothing left.
+
+01:17:08:45 - 01:17:25:41
+Unknown
+And, effectively, what you really want is I'm starving on the streets because they're just that bad of a person, and you're just that good of a person, aren't you? You know, just that bloody, you know, just that virtuous, aren't you?
+
+01:17:25:46 - 01:17:49:59
+Unknown
+The sun shining so brightly out your asshole are out to every order of. It's that that you can just. You just know exactly how wrong everybody else is. Right? and then if they if they're still homeless, you know, the only reason you permit them to be homeless is to continue being alive is because, you know, it wouldn't really be permissible.
+
+01:17:50:04 - 01:18:10:03
+Unknown
+only in what other people will allow. Right? The collective wouldn't allow you to go and, you know, kill them yourself. So you don't do that until somebody decides to be brave enough to actually do it. And then at that point, you'll praise that person for it. Because really, in reality, that's what you wanted to do the entire time.
+
+01:18:10:08 - 01:18:35:55
+Unknown
+That's kind of the whole deal there. Like, I reckon we should probably step away from this line of thinking entirely. What would be the most, reasonable, the most rational and the most, what do you call it? the most just way to deal with this is.
+
+01:18:36:00 - 01:19:01:07
+Unknown
+Don't even go down the line of thinking that you want this person to cease to exist, because presumably, that could also happen to you the moment that the mob turns on you. So don't get the dodges and pitchforks and stampede along with the mob. Avoid the mob at all costs. Because it's the mob. In reality, that is the problem, and you don't want the mob turning on you.
+
+01:19:01:12 - 01:19:25:09
+Unknown
+And if you participate in the mob, you should absolutely expect the mob to turn on you eventually. So I don't really have much sympathy here. So yeah, well, this should be evidence enough that he is not safe around women and femmes. The fuck does that mean? He's not safe around them? The that is a buzz word like that absolutely is a buzz word.
+
+01:19:25:13 - 01:19:33:38
+Unknown
+Like I like people to be a little bit more specific about that.
+
+01:19:33:43 - 01:19:59:19
+Unknown
+Femmes fucking hell. Just say women. Just say women. What are the. Well, there is more evidence. Halos claim that he doesn't fetishize the sexualized women, but his art paints a different picture from his only art account. You can see fan art of female characters. What's clear as day is the exaggerated proportions on almost every single character, no matter their actual body type in the canon, including minors.
+
+01:19:59:24 - 01:20:06:09
+Unknown
+That's interesting. Many of his drawings are also on his main.
+
+01:20:06:14 - 01:20:26:51
+Unknown
+Yeah, Rocio Storm and I had seen that, he had opened up NSF commissions. but the Rocio Storm and that account is now closed. So this is interesting. One thing that I would certainly critique about his style is that he just loves to use these bloody like.
+
+01:20:26:56 - 01:20:48:02
+Unknown
+Like the color palette is never varied. It's always just like I'm going to take any amount of the the what do you call it? Primary, secondary and tertiary colors. I'm just going to like choose any of those colors. And they have to be like those distinct colors. And then I'm just going to slap them all over the place.
+
+01:20:48:07 - 01:21:19:17
+Unknown
+So we've got a blue piece and we got a red piece and we got it like, you know, there's just not a lot of variation. Every single color. is very distinct. It's like, I don't know, you could let's just say you could have chosen differently. I don't know, leave it at that. The interesting thing about this is that in a fictional sense, they will hold the line that it's like, no, it's perfectly fine for somebody to be just passionately ship this thing.
+
+01:21:19:17 - 01:21:39:22
+Unknown
+That is not true in canon, right? You they're not hurting anybody because, like, it's just like fiction or whatever. or whatever line that they are saying, it's just like, it's fine when you do it, when it's gay and it's not okay when you do it, when it's anything else, if it's incest and if it's straight, then I'm going to look at you sideways and be upset at you.
+
+01:21:39:27 - 01:21:57:06
+Unknown
+and then I'm going to type really angrily, depending on how much I'm personally offended by it. Right. Like but then simultaneously, they'll say just the fact that you've chosen to draw art in a way that you know.
+
+01:21:57:10 - 01:22:36:15
+Unknown
+That views the female form as erotic at all in any context whatsoever. Then like, you're automatically bad. Like, I don't know, it's interesting because like the point that he was making before was that, you know, have you ever seen, like a non-sexual thing, like, like I think the point that effectively he was saying is that, like, it's okay to draw something that is sexualized, it's also okay, to understand that the, the, the non-romantic, non-sexual, exists and that, like, you don't have to inject this and sexualize everything.
+
+01:22:36:19 - 01:23:02:26
+Unknown
+But like, I don't does he claim that he doesn't fetish as a sexualized women? It does it just virtue signal that other people, can do nothing but do that? Like is necessarily a hypocrite on this or is this, like unstated? I don't know. I reckon this is this is another problem with him not really knowing what his, what do you what's the word?
+
+01:23:02:31 - 01:23:25:54
+Unknown
+Not knowing what his principles are and not stating them clearly. but also if you don't know what your principles are, it's hard to operate by them. So he ends up operating by these, principles that he doesn't quite even understand himself. And then you, you end up into this kind of a problem where it's just like, well, simultaneously say that you shouldn't sexualize a fetishize, or I'll say that maybe in certain contexts that sexualizing of that is fetishizing is wrong.
+
+01:23:25:58 - 01:23:52:39
+Unknown
+but I won't state exactly how clear that it is. Or I'll say that, I don't sexually sexualize a fetishize of that. Like sexualization and fetishized fetishization isn't all that exists, and sometimes it's okay to not do that. like whatever the hell the position is, because nobody knows what the position is. but then I'm also going to, you know, I don't know if it's necessarily fetishizing, like, I don't I don't know if there's a fetish here.
+
+01:23:52:39 - 01:24:08:58
+Unknown
+He just said, like what? He just likes curvy women is something I don't know, like, I can I, I think that's what I'm seeing here. He just likes curvy women. I don't think that's a fetish inherently.
+
+01:24:09:03 - 01:24:30:25
+Unknown
+I don't know, it's kind of interesting because you will see this all over the place with in all sorts of art circles, that it's like people just don't even know where to draw the line. I don't reckon this person has a clear line that he draws on this kind of a thing. does this person, ever draw anything sexual whatsoever?
+
+01:24:30:25 - 01:24:53:09
+Unknown
+Because I'm not quite certain you can actually have a consistent line on this. Like, is it okay to sexualize femininity in general? Is it okay to draw something that is sexual and feminine, that that is, you know, observing the sexual violence of the feminine? Is it just wrong to do that universally, or what was the point that is being fucking made here, right?
+
+01:24:53:09 - 01:25:17:33
+Unknown
+I reckon you've got the exact same problem on your end, right? As the person you're trying to to, criticize. It's like, where do you draw the line? Precisely because it's your turn to virtue signal against the virtue signal. Right. Where do you draw the line? Can you be specific about it? I don't reckon you can, but it makes me wonder, like, okay, what kind of art do you make?
+
+01:25:17:33 - 01:25:38:43
+Unknown
+Have you ever drawn anything sexual? What's the line that you're going to draw? Have you drawn sexual things of males? If you draw sexual things of females, which which valence of which sex have you drawn? And, You know, what is the actual position that you're taking? You quote from the left image. Remember when you played seven minutes of Heaven with Rachel?
+
+01:25:38:43 - 01:25:47:40
+Unknown
+Interesting how sexual shape of Mind is is okay when it's straight for him. Creepy.
+
+01:25:47:45 - 01:25:53:10
+Unknown
+Don't mention.
+
+01:25:53:15 - 01:26:24:37
+Unknown
+Oh, you were so red. I thought you turned into filet. So this is, the amazing world of Gumball. Is this necessarily sexualized? I don't know if this is necessarily an example of sexualization. But I'm wondering, like, is all these characters minors in this position, or are they reimaginings, like, I don't know, it is kind of interesting because I'm more along the lines of all of it is okay.
+
+01:26:24:46 - 01:26:56:26
+Unknown
+So I would look at this and I'd be like, oh, right. So you've got, you've got Rachel and then you've got like older versions of Gumball and Darwin from Torg, you know, and they're talking, oh wait, that's is that Sarah? I think that's Sarah. That's interesting. So this is this is actually a lot more interesting than a lot of his other art, like, because it's actually reimagining these, like, characters in a, in a more, more realistic but yet still stylized art style.
+
+01:26:56:31 - 01:27:21:52
+Unknown
+but it's like, I don't know, is it okay? Because because this is something I would ask him if I were to ask him this, like, is it okay to to ship or to sexualize a character who is a minor in their original canon? But what you do is you're, taking this character and growing them up. like, I've seen someone who's like a big, dip shipper, right?
+
+01:27:21:52 - 01:27:49:04
+Unknown
+That's that's from Gravity Falls. It's it's Dipper and Pacific Northwest, right. It's like Big Dipper, a, shipper who, you know, ships the two of them together all the time. Right? And it's like they're adult versions of each other. Like, this is like, you know, they're like mid 20s or something like that. Like, I don't know, is it okay to do something like that, or are you going to swear only to the original fiction?
+
+01:27:49:04 - 01:28:11:57
+Unknown
+Like, what isn't isn't okay like it is interesting that it's like these characters in this, they're all in middle school, right? They're all minors. Is he reimagining them in a different context, or, do we need to? Because, I don't know, I would say like this appears to be him reimagining them in a different context. I reckon this is probably okay.
+
+01:28:12:01 - 01:28:40:21
+Unknown
+you know, ethically speaking. But. like, is there an example of him saying that, like, you know. It's not. Okay. Maybe I'd have to review like the, the previous episode, like the media that I was looking at at that episode and see if that one was actually talking about, that may have been one of the criticisms that I made was that like,
+
+01:28:40:26 - 01:29:00:34
+Unknown
+You know, this could just be a reimagining of this character. Maybe that was one thing I was talking about in that I don't I don't recall. Yes, of course, for context, the rainbow haired girl is Rachel from To Walk. She's 16 and is being sexualized in ship with Darwin, a ten year old in his in this order as hero made.
+
+01:29:00:39 - 01:29:23:07
+Unknown
+Yeah, I remember Rachel. Yeah. She she was 16 in the original and Darwin was ten years old. Right. Like I remember this, but generally speaking, seven minutes in heaven is not something that ten year olds play. That's not really a game that ten year olds play. Like maybe if they're heavily unsupervised and exposed to things that they shouldn't have been exposed to at that age, maybe they would play that, but that's kind of fucked up, right?
+
+01:29:23:22 - 01:29:40:10
+Unknown
+Like I reckon that it's perfectly fine to portray something, particularly that especially that he's probably aged these characters up. Is this a 16 year old character in this context, or is he actually a woman? I don't know.
+
+01:29:40:15 - 01:30:01:57
+Unknown
+But it seems to be, a uncharitable a less than charitable, interpretation, though it's not as if he doesn't deserve it, because he's definitely made some similarly uncharitable interpretations in the past, so I suppose we can move on. There was definitely a point, a point in time where I used to collect nudes for myself, like trophies. What do you mean?
+
+01:30:01:57 - 01:30:42:46
+Unknown
+What the fuck? I don't really know what you'd be like. Why would you take a huge moral, Why would you clutch your pals at that necessarily? Like. That's interesting. Like, I'm not saying that it's correct to do. But I reckon it's something that shouldn't necessarily surprise you that people do in the first place. Like, this just seems like a naive person discovering, that sexuality isn't just like, you know, all magical and and epic and great or something like, I don't know, it just doesn't necessarily doesn't necessarily surprise me.
+
+01:30:42:47 - 01:31:03:43
+Unknown
+So like, maybe this is this is an entirely psychological bit because I just I just have a generally speaking, I've got a low, disgust response. So hearing that type of a thing I would look at it more mechanically. I would, I would say like, yeah, I don't think that that's morally correct to do perhaps, no. Yeah, definitely.
+
+01:31:03:43 - 01:31:23:47
+Unknown
+I definitely don't think that's morally correct to do. But I did not go into clutch pearls about it because like, I, I'm going to look at it more rationally. and, and generally speaking, like when it comes to the irrational, it just doesn't really offend me all that much that somebody would do that. Like, as in, it doesn't offend my sensibilities.
+
+01:31:23:47 - 01:31:50:06
+Unknown
+It doesn't make me gasp necessarily. Right. Like I just sort of was just like, okay, someone, someone did that. Like, it doesn't disgust me that it happens, even if I reckon that it's not okay to do. That's a psychological, but I don't know if there's necessarily anything that I'd judge or not judge with that. So I guess I just don't really understand that just because, it's a different, different mode of being my psychological configuration is different.
+
+01:31:50:11 - 01:32:11:46
+Unknown
+I wish I could say this was all, but no additional evidence has been brought to the table. Unfortunately, I've received DMs showing me that halos was sexual with this fan. This is its own. This is on its own. This on its own is gross. But it's worse now, knowing that he's pretty much admitted to it. This post is extremely vague, so we don't know how many pictures he has or how he manipulated these people into giving him these photos.
+
+01:32:11:51 - 01:32:40:08
+Unknown
+I reckon that's pretty uncharitable as well. Like just because you've received photos from people doesn't mean you manipulated them to do it. There could be many people who were, adults and were fully capable of, and happy to do that. But simultaneously, I don't reckon that that's the, that's an ethical approach. Like, you just you probably shouldn't assume that he manipulated all of these people.
+
+01:32:40:08 - 01:33:07:19
+Unknown
+I reckon that's kind of running along those lines of demonization, like you're just trying to see this person. You're trying very hard to, construe this person as absolutely evil when, I don't know. I reckon he's mistaken. I reckon he's, he's pathetic and, irrational in many ways, but I don't necessarily think that he's evil in the way that they they're saying is sometimes it gets very repetitive.
+
+01:33:07:19 - 01:33:18:24
+Unknown
+Man, this ain't fun anymore. Other times it's always be it'll always be satisfying to earn. Oh, I need more. That's interesting.
+
+01:33:18:28 - 01:33:22:55
+Unknown
+Kanye West addiction.
+
+01:33:23:00 - 01:33:32:51
+Unknown
+Best fansite to right also H.o.h on their ass or titties gets a gets a free drawing on me.
+
+01:33:32:56 - 01:33:54:33
+Unknown
+Oh, okay. I'm doubling down as a confirmation that I'm dead. Also, I'll proudly regret this later. What the hell is that? Why would you even say that? Why would you go out and say something that you would proudly regret? I'll proudly regret this later, and it gives me a reason to draw. So we all win. What the hell does that even mean?
+
+01:33:54:37 - 01:34:19:24
+Unknown
+That is an interesting little sexual commodification that I feel as if, like, you could easily say what you do not believe in sex workers, though you do you think that that, women should not be permitted to, women or femmes who should not be permitted to, to sell their own bodies as a service, as a good a service.
+
+01:34:19:24 - 01:34:49:01
+Unknown
+How evil. How evil of you like, I don't know. I have a feeling. I have a feeling. Just a feeling that those these people, would not be opposed to that and wouldn't necessarily see that as a contradiction. Like, I don't know from the perspective of, like, it's perfectly ethical. It's it's morally permissible for somebody to commodify their own body as an, to sell their own body as a good old service, in exchange for other goods or services.
+
+01:34:49:01 - 01:35:19:07
+Unknown
+Right. Your body is now an economic unit of value. Right. is there anything wrong with somebody saying, here, I've got to go to service, I can draw, and if you write my username, my tag on any of your your, your bits. Right. And send a picture to me, then I'll give you a free bit of art from their perspective, I'm not quite like from the perspective of, believing that promiscuity, not not promiscuity, believing that, that prostitution ought to be legal.
+
+01:35:19:12 - 01:35:53:01
+Unknown
+I'm not quite certain if you couldn't make a, a moral claim that this ought not to be considered legal or that necessarily it depends, because there are many people who actually believe, they don't believe in the separation, or they do believe in the separation of ethics and law. like, I don't know, it all depends, because you could believe that prostitution is perfectly permissible at the same time of, saying that it's not ethically right.
+
+01:35:53:06 - 01:36:13:27
+Unknown
+all right. You could say that it it should be it ought to be legally permissible to engage in prostitution, but that it's not ethically possible to do so, which I reckon is the case. I reckon that's true. like that'd be my position on it. But like, at the same time.
+
+01:36:13:31 - 01:36:41:15
+Unknown
+I don't I can just, I can just imagine many people who would just be perfectly fine with being like, oh yeah, I want art, and I've got the body and I'd be perfectly fine to sell it, because I already do often. Like, I reckon there'd be plenty of people who'll be perfectly fine with that. So what necessarily is the issue if you're going off of a simply consent based ethic when it comes to the law, like if it's anything that is on consensual ought to be illegal, and that is the only basis that you're going off of.
+
+01:36:41:20 - 01:37:10:54
+Unknown
+which is kind of my, you know, I reckon that's correct then like what's, what's what exactly is the issue here? Like, do you reckon that it's that it shouldn't be permitted legally or do you, do you record that it, it may be permitted, permitted legally, just that it's not always morally correct. And if that's the case, then I would want to know what the ethical, prescriptions are necessarily.
+
+01:37:10:58 - 01:37:41:07
+Unknown
+These recent photos are from halos NSW. Instagram. This was in March 20th, 2025. Still so recent in regards in relation to this, where he begs fans to send in photos of their bodies with his username written on the them exchange for free art. This is appalling. Again, this is this is like just discussed response, like you're, basing your entire ethical understanding off of disgust response, which is not a good idea, I mean, to say nothing of of Nazis.
+
+01:37:41:07 - 01:38:01:08
+Unknown
+That is kind of what they did. Like, it was just disgust response and were going to actually it was more than that. It was they made based their legal ethic off of disgust response, which is a really bad idea. You know, the entire state and collectivism. the collective as a whole was just operating off of, of, of, disgust response.
+
+01:38:01:08 - 01:38:07:59
+Unknown
+And, that was spooky, wasn't it?
+
+01:38:08:04 - 01:38:34:55
+Unknown
+I just don't understand why it necessarily is appalling. It depends entirely on your priors when it comes to whether or not you reckon, sex work, whether you reckon, prostitution is in whatever fashion form or fashion is, is, morally or legally permissible, like, these are relevant questions that ought to be answered in this context.
+
+01:38:35:00 - 01:38:54:29
+Unknown
+And it's made worse by the fact he claimed that he stopped a while ago now that he claims his nude post was created back in May. And these screenshots are from last week. Interesting. So was was he still collecting them like trophies in this case?
+
+01:38:54:34 - 01:39:01:41
+Unknown
+I don't know that sometimes. Other times it'll always.
+
+01:39:01:46 - 01:39:29:30
+Unknown
+This is, an inherent contradiction. Like, what are you trying to say? It'll always be satisfying. Or, you know, you're saying sometimes and other times like these are mutually exclusive, conceptual framings of the topic at hand. It's confusing. Bloody hell. These are newer, newer. And after victims started to come forward with their personal stories on him, I used to be friends with him on Google Plus when he was 14, 2017, and he was awful to me.
+
+01:39:29:34 - 01:39:45:38
+Unknown
+He would comment my posts on myself, complimenting me in a weird way, like borderline flirting or mentioning the body. Talking to a 14 year old when he was 18,
+
+01:39:45:43 - 01:40:14:16
+Unknown
+I'm wondering if from, from my legal understanding, like from from a natural law understanding, if that's, you know, legal. I'm not quite certain because I don't reckon that age inherently. Is is a rational way to draw the line on whether or not, you know, on where consent is, is possible. but I reckon it's a decent like it's a decent litmus test.
+
+01:40:14:16 - 01:40:26:57
+Unknown
+Like if you don't know exactly how to measure when someone ought to be considered capable of consent, then it's a decent line to draw, just like, okay, here's that, here's the age right?
+
+01:40:27:01 - 01:41:00:42
+Unknown
+But like, I reckon just because you're 18 doesn't mean that you necessarily comprehend what consent is or what sexuality and whatnot is at all. But I don't know, just because, you 14 doesn't mean you you can't. But like, I don't know. I don't know where the line ought to be drawn. Like 18 is a good line to draw, but sometimes somebody can be 18 and also like kind of have the capacity of, of a younger person.
+
+01:41:00:46 - 01:41:22:48
+Unknown
+I reckon once you get like the wider the gap goes, the more obvious it becomes. but that's this is part of the reason why many states have, like Romeo and Juliet exceptions. So like, for example, I believe it's legal in my state for a like a 24 year old to get with a 17 year old. And that's technically legal.
+
+01:41:22:53 - 01:41:55:37
+Unknown
+but that's like the maximum thing. Like in my state this would be legal, but I don't know necessarily how I would I reckon it ought to be legal. And what necessarily beyond that is, is, is ethical in this sort of a case like this is kind of a complex scenario for me. And I don't know if I would necessarily, opine on it in particular, like the one observation that you can make is that this person probably, doesn't know much restraint, especially at this point in time.
+
+01:41:55:42 - 01:42:19:08
+Unknown
+I don't know. And he had a private Snapchat that me and my friends would and my friends my age were on, where he would post full graphic porno videos of women nude and be like which this were meme mood. There was one situation where I was friends with this one girl that was older than me, as well as as well and closer to him in age, and she bullied me and just dipped and said he didn't want to get involved because he liked her as an artist.
+
+01:42:19:08 - 01:42:42:56
+Unknown
+Also, there were times I don't even know what that what? Why does that even matter so much ambiguity in that situation that I like. I'm hardly even motivated to consider or to care about that at all. Like, what does that even mean? This is just like interpersonal drama. Like, I don't really care. Like if you're trying to condemn this person, like, it doesn't really come into, the calculus for me.
+
+01:42:43:01 - 01:43:10:45
+Unknown
+I was friends with this one girl that was older than me as well as well, and closer to him and age. So it was like she was 14 and then she was 16 and he was 18 or something like that. She bullied me. like, boo hoo, I guess, like, sorry that happened to you. I don't know, he just dipped and said he didn't want to get involved because he liked her as an artist.
+
+01:43:10:49 - 01:43:38:58
+Unknown
+This is the kind of, like, moral cowardice that many people display, though. Like. I don't know, like, I don't like. I reckon that is ethically wrong, but it's not necessarily like this person's not saying that there's an, an ethical like that, that the person is not making an ethical point, that just saying that this hurt my feelings or something.
+
+01:43:38:58 - 01:43:49:10
+Unknown
+And it's I don't know if that really comes into the equation here. How relevant is that really?
+
+01:43:49:15 - 01:44:09:27
+Unknown
+There were times me and my best friend were on call with him. We were 14 to 15, so it was maybe 2017 or 2018. And he would self-deprecating Fisher compliment and we would obviously try to comfort him. I have screenshots of the video call. yeah. So that's that's pathetic, right. And I would say that in a moral sense that you ought not self-deprecating to fish for compliments.
+
+01:44:09:32 - 01:44:12:52
+Unknown
+
+
+01:44:12:57 - 01:44:44:16
+Unknown
+But like, I don't know if that's necessarily relevant. Like, why is this even mentioned when this is the main point that you're trying to get out it, get out here. It's as if you're trying to put all of maybe this is just sort of a feminine attempt to, to destroy someone's reputation. Like, and this is why this is sort of a common thing where it's like, here's an actual, like, criminal or potentially criminal thing, like, like whatever it is, it's like, here is clearly the worst sin among all of these.
+
+01:44:44:27 - 01:45:04:12
+Unknown
+And then here's, like all of this other petty bullshit, it's like, okay, like, I don't necessarily know why this is relevant. What do you actually want to focus on? Or do you just want to, like, destroy this person's life? Is that the entire point? I hate this person. I'm going to air out every single little bit of dirty laundry that I believe could potentially poison the well against him.
+
+01:45:04:17 - 01:45:24:36
+Unknown
+or do I actually want to, like, just talk about, like, the important bits? Like, maybe you should only talk about the aborted mess because they're actually important and not just petty bullshit like, I don't know, like all of the rest of this stuff is just like, okay, cry about it. But maybe there is a criminal element that we should be discussing here.
+
+01:45:24:41 - 01:45:32:53
+Unknown
+Like, let's let's focus on the bit that actually matters. Please.
+
+01:45:32:58 - 01:45:54:32
+Unknown
+Not too long after I made my first post about his actions, a few victims came forward with their stories, one being a very old ex friend of his who was pretty clear that he was much older than them at the time and was very inappropriate with them on many occasions, as well as pushy. Okay, a few photos of him and co with these folks for proof, but he was shown he has shown his own face publicly many times.
+
+01:45:54:32 - 01:46:04:21
+Unknown
+I'm not showing. I'm not showing something new, interesting.
+
+01:46:04:26 - 01:46:22:43
+Unknown
+The second gave me a lot of screen caps between the two where he was just. He was yet again pushy and demanding, and when she confronted him, he immediately admitted not to not caring about her, and even tried to put blame on her for being so young and caring about him so much. He was a much older person in the relationship, so this felt like a slap in the face to her.
+
+01:46:22:48 - 01:46:49:31
+Unknown
+Interesting. Hello, my name is say I'm a victim. Goodness, goodness. I'm a victim of this individual horns on halos. I'm a 19 year old female and he's a 25, 20, 24, 25 year old male. My experience with him was traumatic. Is that potentially a little bit dramatic when all of this happened over the internet? Like, I don't know, this this seems a little this seems a little bit much.
+
+01:46:49:36 - 01:47:11:52
+Unknown
+Something I feel disgusted for and never will be the same from. I first met him with a moo cat situation and decided to comfort him. Interesting. Which started my interactions and he looked looked on my profile and said I was pretty. I replied in thank you and he brought up kings. When we were talking about our interests, I most traumatic experience was when me and him was, what are we doing right now?
+
+01:47:11:57 - 01:47:34:46
+Unknown
+it's like we're trying to get to know each other and we're all sitting around in a circle talking about what? Well, my most traumatic experience with him was like, what are we doing right now? This is this is odd. It's just seems odd. That's all I've really got to say about that. Having a serious conversation about how he constantly ignores me.
+
+01:47:34:51 - 01:47:58:28
+Unknown
+when I do not give him what he wants. And I told him I wasn't comfortable with it, and he said he doesn't care to my face and said that the only thing I could do to help him is cater to his sexual needs. I tried to reason with him that I was not his plaything. Then he started being sexual and started talking about how how he would breed me and other stuff.
+
+01:47:58:33 - 01:48:20:11
+Unknown
+I didn't know what to do when he told. When I told him to stop, he said, you have a kink kink. It's fine. Well, yeah, that seems a little bit fucked. perfect. Takes himself. He's now quickly, blurred out. This is interesting when people and a blurring out their side of the conversation because they don't like, like they sort of regret having been sexually interested with someone or something like that.
+
+01:48:20:11 - 01:48:49:57
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, it seems as if you're being a little bit too sexually permissible in regards to what you believe is good for you to, or a permissible for you to, behave as it's like I can just be as sexual as I want, but if I regret it afterwards, or if you know, it ends up being a little more sour in my mouth afterwards, then I can, truncate the sexual things that I did in order to make me seem like more of the innocent victim when I just sort of simultaneously like this is the truth of the matter.
+
+01:48:49:57 - 01:49:16:48
+Unknown
+I simultaneously was sexual in this case and was turned on by this situation, but at the same time, there was were lines crossed in my sexual comments. weren't don't necessarily make that justifiable. Like, I don't know why you couldn't just say that, but also air out the bits that you are a little bit ashamed of. if they may be relevant to the context as particularly in the fucking screenshots that you're sharing.
+
+01:49:16:48 - 01:49:39:00
+Unknown
+I don't know. Does it involve personal information like, I don't know, even better this shit. Foggy, better wipe that camera lens. Finished. Change your contact name to Tony the Tiger. What? What you mean what? You was always you always flaking out. It fits you here because then results on. That was. Oh, shit. I never heard of the amazing world of Gumball.
+
+01:49:39:00 - 01:50:06:16
+Unknown
+What are we talking about? While low key, I couldn't because of the cam. Plus I was in very hot weather. Mosquitoes been getting my ass. And to be fair, your contact name is Baby Man. So mind you, mind you, you can send shit yet. You mean you ain't sent shit yet? Is that. Is that what that means? You ain't saying shit yet, I fucking RV, this shit is, a little bit nonsensical.
+
+01:50:06:16 - 01:50:26:04
+Unknown
+What the hell does this mean? You must think I'm playing to some, That's just the truth. something about some sort of. You care for someone you don't know? That's just the truth. So all I was here for was your personal pleasure? Yeah. Shit was cute when it was flirty and sexual, but the most you know is that I'm an artist, and I got a brother.
+
+01:50:26:09 - 01:50:44:01
+Unknown
+You don't have no interest in getting to know me. Truly, I ain't say all that. But there was no attempt to bond with me. You was just trying to be someone for me that I could rely on, but I. It ain't feel that way, and that's fine. I never cared for you being an artist. But I genuinely wanted to know you.
+
+01:50:44:06 - 01:51:04:45
+Unknown
+But you being like this. I'm older than you, and you got a lot of shit to prioritize in terms of your mental health. In school or family. Focus on that. Fucking hell. So articulate this fellow. You saying this but still wanted to interact with me.
+
+01:51:04:49 - 01:51:30:43
+Unknown
+See, this just kind of makes me wonder, what the hell your expectations were going into this situation in the first place? He said he does care to my face. I don't really see. I think she framed that in a way that is not in evidence by this chat and whatnot.
+
+01:51:30:48 - 01:51:37:09
+Unknown
+But like he's he's effectively saying that like.
+
+01:51:37:13 - 01:52:03:36
+Unknown
+Our relationship was not that deep. So like. Look, I don't know. It's I think you're kind of running into this interesting territory where it ends up being like, multiple people are being sexual and they're being very open and, you know, sex positive or whatever. And so all of their sexuality and all that shit is just public. And then they have these conversations with people.
+
+01:52:03:36 - 01:52:31:21
+Unknown
+I'm a public figure. You come in and then we're having sexual conversations, and then I'm like. You're just just talking about like sexual things. And then it's like, well, now you're supposed to care about this. And it's like, well, I was I was never really obligated to care about this. It's like it seems as if there need to be a little bit more rules about this, that maybe if you had from the get go, you would have understand going into the situation what you actually value.
+
+01:52:31:21 - 01:52:48:18
+Unknown
+Right? Sorry. If you can hear my slinky in my hand, I'm like, you know, moving my hands around. I in at the end with this particular one. I don't really care how much of a slap in the face it felt like to it. It seems as if neither of you knew precisely what you wanted. so I don't know.
+
+01:52:48:18 - 01:53:06:21
+Unknown
+I don't know if there's any room for like, sort of moral indignation other than, like, well, this person hurt my feelings effectively. The shitty bit is that you have a kink kink. It's fine, but I didn't, I didn't see that bit here. Like that. Didn't appear to to. It's like, where is that? Is that a the next one?
+
+01:53:06:21 - 01:54:22:06
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, I guess we'll find out. I'm going to I'm going to be real quick. Got to get, get more drink. Well I haven't really been drinking though, so I guess I don't really need to, but.
+
+01:54:22:10 - 01:54:38:26
+Unknown
+Okay. Anyhow. Back to the sludge. Here. Trudging right on through. what was the next? No, that's not it.
+
+01:54:38:31 - 01:54:59:38
+Unknown
+Is it? This one didn't help that when he discovered she came out with the allegations. You mean he tried to claim she did this because he dropped that friendship, quote unquote, and was just angry with him when the reality is she was still in contact and, in fact, wanted to stay anonymous because she deeply cared about him and wanted to see him change.
+
+01:54:59:38 - 01:55:27:27
+Unknown
+It wasn't until he then dropped her and admitted he didn't care about her, that he she no longer cared about being anonymous. this seems to be a little bit complex. He. So she came out about it privately. So I don't know if you really wanted somebody to change, why the fuck would you come out with it? Like, why wouldn't you just try to resolve this privately?
+
+01:55:27:27 - 01:55:42:43
+Unknown
+Like, hey, I would like you. I think you could. I have concern for you. You know, I care about you, and I reckon you could change. I reckon this is a good way for you to change.
+
+01:55:42:48 - 01:56:14:58
+Unknown
+Like, can can, like. Here are my concerns. Can we resolve this? Are you interested in resolving this? And then he says, no. Like, at what point do you reckon it's permissible for you to go out of your way to kind of, make public statements that could damage his reputation? Like, he probably should have been, considering it from that, perspective before taking it, like, why would you take this public if you thought, if you wanted him to be able to change for the better, like, okay, for the better?
+
+01:56:14:58 - 01:56:40:21
+Unknown
+I'm going to, potentially do something that's going to piss him off. It's like, well, of course he reacted in this. Not not just that had piss him off. It's like it would damage his reputation with everybody else. It's like it's only natural that he would say in response, like, you know, fuck this. I don't like this person.
+
+01:56:40:26 - 01:56:58:03
+Unknown
+It's just upset that I don't really care about, her in a deep personal sense because we just met online and that's it. Like, he's trying to defend his reputation against the allegations that you put out there.
+
+01:56:58:08 - 01:57:08:53
+Unknown
+Like, you probably shouldn't have come out publicly with this unless you were really ready to be like, now, fuck this guy right?
+
+01:57:08:58 - 01:57:27:20
+Unknown
+Like, if he said something fucked up to you, like, the cnq thing, then why would you want to be, like, now? I think you can change for the better. So I'm just going to publish this anonymously, but then, like, I don't really get that.
+
+01:57:27:25 - 01:57:35:33
+Unknown
+It was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. his story accusing her of this is still up, by the way.
+
+01:57:35:38 - 01:57:59:46
+Unknown
+And I have to naturally, I have to dig through it. This is part of the issue with the Twitter thread thing in the in the first place is that in order to actually get all of the details on this, I'd have to dig through it. Like, I feel like this could be in a longer form video where somebody actually reviews all of this evidence and comes out with like a decent narrative, stringing all of this stuff together that's actually far more truthful and, nuanced than simply being like, oh, well, this person is a shitty person.
+
+01:57:59:49 - 01:58:21:58
+Unknown
+He's all of the reasons why. And, but in brief, so that you don't actually have to make up your mind for yourself. It's like, this is just not a rational way to disseminate information about whether or not this person should or shouldn't be trusted or regarded as an acceptable person, a safe person.
+
+01:58:22:03 - 01:58:44:43
+Unknown
+Hello, I would like to talk about H.o.h. I'm currently in communication with him yet I was just so anonymous. Yes, of course I'm all ears. But. So this person came to this person to talk to him or I 19 year old female and him to have developed a sexual and a friendship and then a sexual relationship, sometimes with being friends with him is emotionally draining, such as if I don't send nudes, he gets upset or cuts me off.
+
+01:58:44:43 - 01:59:22:54
+Unknown
+You're not friends. This is the thing. Like you were not friends at this point. I wouldn't say that that's coercive. I would say that that's irrational and unethical of him to do something like that. But I would also say that, like. Like you got to regard this as freedom of association here. Like, and you should probably, think about your sexual values a little bit more like if you if you just wanted to send nudes and have fun with that and, you know, you enjoyed the attention that it would get, but, you know, the online attention you'd get from doing that kind of a thing, then that's perfectly fine.
+
+01:59:22:58 - 01:59:49:48
+Unknown
+But the moment that you realize that he recognizes, entitled to it, that you should probably think that think about how maybe that wasn't exactly like maybe you should should have drawn the line somewhere as to like standards for who you were going to send pictures of your pussy to right? I don't know.
+
+01:59:49:53 - 02:00:10:01
+Unknown
+I guess upset it cut me off. I've been speaking up to him about that and he's currently trying. Trying, I guess, to change. But that doesn't dismiss the fact that he pushes the limit sometimes. Why the hell would you go to a third party about this type of thing? I don't know, you can see the screencap of him dropping her above.
+
+02:00:10:06 - 02:00:28:14
+Unknown
+They were still very much friends when she first came out about him. I never cared for you being an artist. Genuine other writer. Remember this? You can even unsend some I use it to. I don't care anymore. I'm done with him.
+
+02:00:28:19 - 02:00:50:11
+Unknown
+Interesting. This seems like mostly petty bullshit. Like, I don't know, those are 19, and I had an encounter with him, giving him the benefit of the doubt. Please don't text him. I don't want him to know I'm saying this about him. Okay, so this is all private. This is all private. To cause more shit. But I feel horrible.
+
+02:00:50:11 - 02:01:06:59
+Unknown
+When I first started talking to him, I thought everything was sweet and dandy until he started treating me as if I were some toy. I fell into his trap and got love blinded, thinking everything was okay and didn't know I was getting used. He asked for pictures of my body and such and got a girlfriend two weeks after love bombing and he's incredibly toxic, manipulative and very weird.
+
+02:01:06:59 - 02:01:24:00
+Unknown
+But I got it and tangled up with his shit that I excused all of it. I'm so proud of my good little girl. You've matured very well again, with a question marks here. Like I don't really see, what's so.
+
+02:01:24:05 - 02:01:39:51
+Unknown
+Like like what's so disgusting about that, necessarily? Like what? Why is there indignation in response to this? Like, I'm, I'm curious as to like the psychological underpinning of that.
+
+02:01:39:55 - 02:01:47:15
+Unknown
+Like, but I don't necessarily understand the disgust response with it.
+
+02:01:47:20 - 02:01:53:01
+Unknown
+That won't my heart so much. What the hell?
+
+02:01:53:06 - 02:02:16:30
+Unknown
+You've matured very well. I did, didn't I? I don't know, like this seems like indignation taken on behalf of the person who received that. Yes, you have Princess. That's what good girls do. Yes, sir. I hear you say it so I know you mean it. Now make a video with your face and tits or something showing. And tell me that Papa owns you, and you'll always be my loyal slut.
+
+02:02:16:30 - 02:02:42:59
+Unknown
+Maybe. No. no. Where we stand, I can't wait to blackmail you. If we have a fallout. This is interesting that it appears to be, Like. Guess this. The kind of, like, reckless, love that many people high and openness tend to get into where it's just like, you know, this shit is just. I'm a half expecting this shit to to to hit the fan.
+
+02:02:42:59 - 02:03:02:57
+Unknown
+So, like, whatever this will be fun no matter what. And it's going to, like, satisfy me no matter what. Like, I don't know, it's just it's interesting that people enter into situations like this and I don't really have much. much, compassion for somebody who went into this knowing full well and half expecting for it to go poorly.
+
+02:03:03:01 - 02:03:19:07
+Unknown
+And then it does go poorly. It's just odd. I was one of the girls whom he interacted with. I was I was reached out to by him. We became friends, quote unquote. At least I thought so low. Nope. He would only contact me for sexual gratification. I was told I'd be a fruit girl of his. I've never heard of that.
+
+02:03:19:12 - 02:03:38:15
+Unknown
+Girls with different bodies named after fruits. he asked for multiple nude reference photos. He would demand would demand them if I said no. You try to get me to write his username on my butt. But I didn't want to do that. So he stopped messaging me. He 100% would have me would leave me on Reddit if I tried having a normal conversation with him.
+
+02:03:38:20 - 02:03:59:45
+Unknown
+He also wanted me to call him pet names. He was also extremely rude when getting my photos, telling me the posing is bad, retake it, better face, etc. see, I reckon this is just freedom of association. A lot of those things I'd say are ethically wrong to do, but not like illegal. And you know, so is much of this, this entire thread here.
+
+02:03:59:45 - 02:04:32:15
+Unknown
+It's like, you know, many of much of this is, not ethically, ethically wrong. Yes. Or, and illegal or it's, not ethically wrong. Not illegal or what have you. but everything that is illegal is ethically wrong, you know, in the natural law sense. It's just like a lot of this is just like, oh, it's perfectly fine for you to to give this information like, hey, here are some things that some testimonies from some people who interacted with this person.
+
+02:04:32:15 - 02:04:57:43
+Unknown
+If you reckon that that makes you uncomfortable, that maybe you should not, be, following this person anymore because, you know, freedom of association type of deal, if that, offends your sensibilities and you will not obligated to continue to follow this person, I think that's perfectly fine. It's just interesting that a lot of it seems to be based on women moral indignation rather than any sort of rational, judgment.
+
+02:04:57:43 - 02:05:16:10
+Unknown
+Right? The vast majority of his victims seem to be folks who are they used to used to? I don't know why so many people are bloody illiterate. be his friend or had a slight interest in him. But halos became extremely pushy to the point of harassment. And it doesn't help that there's an obvious pattern of them being much younger than him.
+
+02:05:16:10 - 02:05:44:19
+Unknown
+So I reckon that this is, this is in the category of, ethically wrong, legally permissible. Not permissible. Like permissible meaning? Like there is no retribution that you can take against him. that would be just right. Like, what is just is like, well, this person did this thing. Here are all the receipts. Whatever. you probably shouldn't be associating with that.
+
+02:05:44:22 - 02:06:11:33
+Unknown
+This person, if this offends you, you know, I reckon that's perfectly fine. Going to say. The most recent victim to come forward to me showed an even clearer picture of just how bougie and creepy this man was, and take pictures of his body when they explicitly said no. And to and repeatedly made sure he, made sure he know what the hell they didn't want any kind of sexual relationship with him.
+
+02:06:11:38 - 02:06:39:33
+Unknown
+This is straight up sexual harassment. A-Z here on discord here. No, you better not send them look lmao. Lance. Yes. my PHP been a mood all week. You're not slick. I asked you not to send them. I don't think you did. You was just nervous. But I won't do it again for you. Skulls. But why do when I asked you not to?
+
+02:06:39:37 - 02:06:46:16
+Unknown
+You better not send them. What is this talking about?
+
+02:06:46:21 - 02:07:02:58
+Unknown
+So, like I can tell that the person who is talking to him is being serious. You know, it's like I asked you not to send them. You better not send them. I asked you not to send them. I'm being serious about this. You know, Lance, period over Texas means you're being serious, right? I don't think you did.
+
+02:07:02:58 - 02:07:19:00
+Unknown
+You was just nervous. I don't, but I don't even know the context. What is the context here? You better not send them, like. Well, what happened? I don't understand.
+
+02:07:19:05 - 02:07:40:58
+Unknown
+I had I need more context of. What is that? What the hell this means? What did he send after being requested not to send them? And like, certainly, he appears to be like, this isn't gaslighting per se, but but he's saying like, well, you were just nervous. That's how I interpreted. He's choosing to interpret, those messages in a way that's convenient to him.
+
+02:07:40:58 - 02:08:04:21
+Unknown
+But I don't know the context. I can't necessarily judge this ethically. without really knowing what the hell we're talking about. To start, Lance added me on discord late 2018, early 2019. We got along really well and our friendship grew very fast. I was 17 at the time, in my senior year of his, and he was 19. I don't really think like I, especially when the age gap is two, when they're both this young.
+
+02:08:04:21 - 02:08:29:30
+Unknown
+I don't really think that there's anything terribly wrong with this. Now, given that the previous year he was talking to somebody who was 14, I reckon that paints a a more clear picture. but this context, taken on its own, doesn't appear to be that he's doing anything terribly wrong at that age. Let's continue. Let's see how it goes.
+
+02:08:29:34 - 02:08:51:18
+Unknown
+He was super flirty, and I couldn't help but love the attention he gave me. I was super self-conscious and had really low self-esteem, so I was unfortunately weak to that behavior and never stood up for my own worth. This is a good thing to be aware of. very good thing to be aware of. So I'm glad that there is it's kind of highlighting where where they went wrong here.
+
+02:08:51:23 - 02:09:13:28
+Unknown
+To make a long story short, he confessed to me Valentine's Day 2019, but I told him, I'm not sure relationship is whatever. Then the moment that reality snapped, he the fake reality happened. He randomly started speaking about his dick. He then he said he took some pics and asked if I wanted to see. I said no, I had a feeling he would send them.
+
+02:09:13:39 - 02:09:34:37
+Unknown
+I remember the way my heart was racing and exited discord right as the images started flooding in. I was shaking and confused as hell. A few minutes later I check, I check my phone again and he deleted them and thought it was funny I confronted him. I have the screenshot. What happens after is him throwing a pity party that left me apologizing.
+
+02:09:34:42 - 02:09:57:20
+Unknown
+Interesting. This is straight up sexual harassment. Okay, okay, so now we've got a full picture of this. Well, not a full picture. Like not not in that sense, but like she presumably says you better not send them. He says look and he sends some pictures says lmao. you know, it's like I asked you not to send them.
+
+02:09:57:25 - 02:10:23:58
+Unknown
+And then he's sort of backtracking, making excuses. I don't think you did. I was just nervous. I won't do it again for you. Skulls. So he he clearly thinks that this is funny. Why do it? When I asked you not to. Interesting. So I could see where he what he's trying to do. There, I would suddenly say that this falls into the, an unethical category.
+
+02:10:24:03 - 02:10:43:05
+Unknown
+yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty. I find it pretty easy to to say that as unethical. I have a memory. When I was younger, I remember making a vow to myself saying I'd never hurt a woman the way he had hurt my mother. So do you think you've lived by that vow you made yourself all those years ago?
+
+02:10:43:10 - 02:11:08:46
+Unknown
+And then there's, like, a question. Lance. No, I have it. And I do feel like you're turning into your father these days. Yes. Wow. That really sucks. And this is this is kind of an interesting thing. Like, everyone's kind of, kind of loves oversharing in this way. I don't know, like, maybe maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we shouldn't.
+
+02:11:08:51 - 02:11:24:23
+Unknown
+I also wanted to touch up on how halos himself is that he hurt women. I don't know, you're got to make mistakes. That's the thing. Is that, like, everyone's going to hurt people eventually. And if you are attracted to women and if you have relationships with women, it's almost inevitable that you're going to hurt women in the process.
+
+02:11:24:23 - 02:11:48:30
+Unknown
+Like you should make active, rational, conscious steps not to do so. but like. It's I think the counterfactual to this is that like, like, are you trying to say that somebody should have never hurt women, period. And that, like, everybody ought to just be a saint? It's like, okay, you have to understand that that moral ideal is highly unrealistic.
+
+02:11:48:30 - 02:11:53:10
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, like.
+
+02:11:53:15 - 02:12:16:36
+Unknown
+How often are you going to hold this stance to everybody else that is like, well, you are not a pure individual. You didn't do everything perfectly correct in in XYZ case, it's like, okay, fair enough. But this is a difficult standard to hold because it's eventually going to smack in the face. It's going to come right back at you.
+
+02:12:16:40 - 02:12:36:21
+Unknown
+So you should probably be a little bit careful about about this. Like just just be a little bit careful because eventually you were going to be at the guillotine as well to stand for your crimes. And so maybe you shouldn't be trying to flog everybody else. So, so much for like cheer when somebody else gets their head lopped off.
+
+02:12:36:21 - 02:12:59:43
+Unknown
+But, when it comes to you, maybe we should feel bad for you, right? Just means that anybody else who's cheered for the, for the beheadings of others, I don't really have much compassion for once. The once it's their turn on the guillotine. Right. This is kind of been my, my position for the beginning. My my expectation from the beginning is that it's like.
+
+02:12:59:43 - 02:13:14:10
+Unknown
+Well, this is going to be rough for them, isn't it?
+
+02:13:14:15 - 02:13:40:59
+Unknown
+in a comic he made, he is asked by another individual. Yeah, an interviewer, obviously, about his abusive father. And if halos believes he's become like him and treats women in a similar way his father did to his mother, and halos agrees. Yeah. So this seems like a tragic story here. This seems kind of tragic, right? This is late 2024, for reference, and because of the comics vagueness, there's no telling how bad his treatment of women has gotten.
+
+02:13:41:04 - 02:14:05:25
+Unknown
+Well, this is the question, though. Do you want him to be like, you know, castrated and killed for his crimes of like, what are you trying to say? What is the takeaway here? Like which which side, how long down the road are we talking about? the spectrum. Like. Like on where? On the spectrum of I want this person dead to.
+
+02:14:05:25 - 02:14:30:55
+Unknown
+I want this person like deplatformed and homeless on the streets. Right. to, like, I'm going to leave alone, and I don't, I don't really, you know, I'm just dissociating right to have absolutely everything that this person did is correct, and I don't really care. And I'm going to continue supporting or I don't support, but this person's perfectly justified.
+
+02:14:30:55 - 02:14:55:30
+Unknown
+Like where on the spectrum are you on this on this topic? Because it seems ambiguous. It seems a little bit ambiguous. Where is this headed? What is the takeaway? he's made other comics point blank, admitting he likes when girls act like dogs so he can be their owner, and straight up admits to being a womanizer. Okay, we're good to talk about the crime here.
+
+02:14:55:40 - 02:15:15:54
+Unknown
+Like, is this ethically wrong? Don't play dumb. You've noticed a decent amount of women. You've mingled with love to act like dogs, and you never fail to entertain them and act as their owner. When you've noticed those dog like mannerisms to, what's a funny what a funny coping mechanism to have. Crazy. I really am a womanizing bastard.
+
+02:15:15:59 - 02:15:36:31
+Unknown
+Is he saying this sort of proudly? I'm not quite certain. Like what's what he's trying to say here? Mind you, he claims this is because his dog died, although with the added context that he admits to being a womanizer, it makes this so much more creepy. Is this necessarily creepy, or is this someone just being, like, a little bit too sexually permissive in public about their own kinks?
+
+02:15:36:36 - 02:15:59:40
+Unknown
+Like, I don't I'm not certain what you're trying to say here, but I'm not certain if this proves what you're trying to prove with it. It's entirely possible that this is, this is, you know, morally wrong. Like, I reckon, like in an Objectivist sense, this doesn't really pass the sniff test, right? but I don't know if it it passes, like, so much.
+
+02:15:59:40 - 02:16:17:27
+Unknown
+It I don't know. I don't know if the parallel clutching is valid in this case. In his direct response to me, he blasted all of the non and on folks who came to me essentially telling his fans to harass these people while also admitting that he did have relationships slash friendships with these people. It didn't help that he misgendered one of the victims for the entire time.
+
+02:16:17:27 - 02:16:46:01
+Unknown
+I just fucking cry about it, I don't care, I really don't care. The entire time he spoke about them. While their pronouns was in the profile you were saying to report, not to mention threatening to physically harm me. Question mark, question mark. she her prophecy girls, secretive, hypnagogic moon. Hannah. Ishmael. They them and they them moon murmurs.
+
+02:16:46:01 - 02:17:05:01
+Unknown
+That's the same person. halos as a freak July 15th, 2024. That the lines are outside of this screencap box. So y'all know I'm the one who censored this kid's account. All this guy does is cry about his own problems on his page. Holy. I mean, that's kind of true. And he is kind of ascetic, right? Oh, wait.
+
+02:17:05:02 - 02:17:24:18
+Unknown
+No, he said that, did he? No no no no. Okay, so someone said that about him. I mean, I agree with that entirely. he is kind of pathetic for that. I posted this ten minutes ago, and you don't even follow me. You pogo stick in my meat sword right now.
+
+02:17:24:23 - 02:17:37:37
+Unknown
+Here are some attention. You clearly need it. several of these folks are literal kids, too. I censored this to note. Not him.
+
+02:17:37:42 - 02:17:54:01
+Unknown
+Did he know that these were kids? And even if they were kids, was it was it fair enough for him to say it just like, well, well, well hold on. All this guy does is cry about his own problems on his page. Holy. That's true. He responds to this saying, I posted this ten minutes ago. You don't even follow me.
+
+02:17:54:01 - 02:18:17:15
+Unknown
+You pogo sticking my meat sword right now. What he's saying is like, I'm living in your head rent free. Why does he have to know that that person is a minor in order to respond to something that was being said about him? Talk shit. Get hit. Right? Like I, I don't necessarily think that it's wrong for you to say like, hey, like he's effectively quote, retweeting a quote, retweet, oh my gosh, I can't believe you.
+
+02:18:17:15 - 02:18:37:37
+Unknown
+You responded to a minor. Is this really what we're doing right now? Is is fucking silly. He too, on many occasions tried to throw his audience at random accounts that have called him out or even just lightly stated they thought his content was cringe. This also isn't okay. I mean, I reckon it's sensitive, but this is the thing.
+
+02:18:37:37 - 02:19:01:12
+Unknown
+It's like it's talk shit get hit. If you're going to talk shit, you should expect the person who you're talking shit about to see what you said and if they're offended about it, and if they responded and offended matter, and if they send, either directly saying it was just like, you know, fuck this person, which, you know, everybody else may go in, look at that stuff, respond unkindly, like it's the internet.
+
+02:19:01:24 - 02:19:31:36
+Unknown
+Well, I got it. Oh talk shit. Get hit. Freedom of association. Oh, I got I don't know, it's it's just, I don't know how much you could say that it isn't okay necessarily. Like, surely the person making this thing is expecting a certain amount of negativity to go his way? Is that whole justified? But anything that would, you know, happened to a minor who was also, you know, talking shit or whatever, like all of that is unjustified.
+
+02:19:31:40 - 02:19:38:58
+Unknown
+Like universally, like, I don't know. I don't get it.
+
+02:19:39:03 - 02:20:08:21
+Unknown
+I didn't realize you were not allowed to quote retweet a minor effectively like that's effectively. This is this is just weird. Also, the threats to physically harm. I don't know where that is. Where the hell is that? Like, here's the here's some attention you clearly needed. your pogo stick in my meat sword right now. Effectively, that just means, like in context, that effectively just means like I'm in your head rent free.
+
+02:20:08:25 - 02:20:27:11
+Unknown
+Like, this is just general internet banter. Like, this is just shit talking, right? This is shit flinging like I there's no problem with any of this. But then it's like he's threatening to physically harm you. Where was that? I don't I don't think, I don't think you prove this here. I don't think this is in evidence, like, at all.
+
+02:20:27:16 - 02:20:37:59
+Unknown
+Like this is not being shown here at all.
+
+02:20:38:04 - 02:20:57:07
+Unknown
+Like, is. This doesn't make sense. This does not logically follow all these stories is still up on his account. If you want to listen, end of the thread for now. It's a long read, but it's super important for full context of all his recent action. So go ahead and share this with anyone not in the know. This is interesting.
+
+02:20:57:12 - 02:21:12:09
+Unknown
+I guess I don't really have much to say about this. Apparently. I forgot to add this last part. He does actively admit to posting controversial quote unquote content for clout and clicks. He does not care about real victims. I don't know why anybody's obligated to care about real victims. I don't believe in public positive obligations in this sense.
+
+02:21:12:09 - 02:21:35:56
+Unknown
+Like you could say, ethically speaking, that, you know, someone who was victimized in xyzzy way ought not to be victimized in XYZ way, and that that's actually a legal claim. as well, if there is, you know, the degree to which that restitution, is just right or, what have you, like, all of that is perfectly relevant.
+
+02:21:36:07 - 02:21:44:10
+Unknown
+But, personally, I don't think someone who doesn't know how to handle a fan base should have one.
+
+02:21:44:15 - 02:22:08:07
+Unknown
+As long as you hold that, consistently. Like, I suppose that's a is it personally, like, this is an ethical claim that you're making, not a legal claim. And effectively, what you're trying to do is like, you know, rouse all of the, all of the, the crowded to to go in a way with him handle a fan base.
+
+02:22:08:20 - 02:22:24:55
+Unknown
+Interesting like because I would I tend to think of that in emotional terms like handle a fan bases and like, can you really take it like with the emotional sensitivity? Like, maybe you shouldn't have this because, you clearly can't take it like, I don't know, I think that's kind of, I think that's a fair thing to say.
+
+02:22:24:55 - 02:22:39:51
+Unknown
+But effectively they're vouching for like, responsibility in some ways, but irresponsibility in other ways, like, I reckon the it doesn't seem to be a very clear ethic here. I don't know.
+
+02:22:39:55 - 02:22:46:23
+Unknown
+Fans are there to support you and love on your work.
+
+02:22:46:28 - 02:23:07:41
+Unknown
+I don't know if that's necessary. I don't know if I'd necessarily agree with that inherently, but like, I, I don't know how worth it it would be to go into that. It just seems to be like an interesting premise that it's like a. I don't know, it's just an interesting way to frame that. They do not exist to be potential sexual partners of people to threaten.
+
+02:23:07:46 - 02:23:17:57
+Unknown
+When did he threaten anybody? I still didn't really see anybody get threatened. There.
+
+02:23:18:01 - 02:23:37:57
+Unknown
+He's addicted to the negative attention. He's admitted as such, do not believe his mental health base posted their views. a lot of this seems fair enough, I suppose. please do not give that to him. It's exactly what he wants. I ain't gonna lie, y'all. I'm a star making controversial rules to get people mad and arguing about mundane bullshit.
+
+02:23:37:57 - 02:23:59:17
+Unknown
+I need the views and engagement. Hashtag sell it. Hashtag money of the friends. Hashtag chronically online. again, this seems to be like the open. This reminds me of another artist who over, perhaps expressed frustration, publicly before I maybe I have, I don't know, it's the kind of thing where it's like, I'm going to like, post.
+
+02:23:59:22 - 02:24:20:17
+Unknown
+I'm just going to, like, rant about shit. I'm going to post shit about all sorts of shit that upsets me. I'm going to post about him. I'm going to post about Elon Musk to post about all this shit. I'm thinking of a x, X is so crazy or whatever, whatever the bloody thing is. Sam is his name.
+
+02:24:20:22 - 02:24:37:10
+Unknown
+like, I've seen that kind of attitude. It's like, I don't even care what it what it ends up of people that are upset at me or whatever. but then also I'm going to get, like, you know, very offended at everything else that other people make. And I'm going to be very mean and very edgy and very upset.
+
+02:24:37:15 - 02:24:55:39
+Unknown
+but then the moment that other people are edgy, I'm going to like virtue Signal about it. It's like this. But then I was like, delete all of my other shit and all. It's like just being an agent of chaos with no rationality involved whatsoever. But also, at least he actually had like a good art style was the entire reason I was following him in the first place.
+
+02:24:55:39 - 02:25:16:59
+Unknown
+I don't know, now he's just like a bloody Deltarune poster. I should actually play through Deltarune. It's been on the list for forever, but I just never got around to it. Still, if you decide to keep supporting him after this, please do so with caution. You are worth more than you know. Well, at least that's, At least that's.
+
+02:25:17:00 - 02:25:36:28
+Unknown
+There's no, like, virtue signaling on that point. Just like if you decide to keep supporting after this, please do so with caution. You know, it's a request. It's not a demand. It's not moralizing or anything like that. I've got nothing to lose ATP at this point. It wouldn't matter if I apologized for shit I've already owned up to and confessed to 100 times.
+
+02:25:36:28 - 02:25:51:25
+Unknown
+Y'all wouldn't believe me anyways, and I wouldn't care if you did, since I always told the truth when y'all were literally just digits and strangers on the internet to me, I don't know. I think that's kind of a sad thing to say. I think that's kind of fair. You can't please everyone, and they're all just digits and strangers on the internet.
+
+02:25:51:25 - 02:26:10:14
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know why you do this. If you're going to block me right after, you'll try it. I've got a question, and I'm just trying to keep it mature and respectful as adults. If you're comfortable holding a conversation with me, he may have blocked afterwards. after realizing that there were some accusations that he reckoned that they that weren't in good faith or something like that, I don't know.
+
+02:26:10:19 - 02:26:26:09
+Unknown
+it is kind of a good question, but like I, I reckon that are probably reasonable reasons to do that. What is this? he was decided to respond to the reply above this, claiming he wanted to talk to this out like mature adults. So I'll show you the videos of him threatening to punch my face off for the first time.
+
+02:26:26:09 - 02:26:51:04
+Unknown
+He saw my call out. He then laughed and said it was good. It freaked me out, said it was good. This is from Horns on Halo side account. models for reference requested. Must be 2020 star verify with ID equal and day of birth. This is. This is the one I saw where he had said that his NSF commission said open.
+
+02:26:51:09 - 02:27:09:06
+Unknown
+I don't know. I reckon it's all of it's okay. Yeah. None of it's okay, man. Like it's just interesting that people try to subdivide so well, but then like freak out once things tend to kind of go wrong. It's like none of you know where to draw the line on this. So I don't know, like maybe we should be a little more rational about it.
+
+02:27:09:10 - 02:27:13:30
+Unknown
+Hello, Doctor Doom, how do you do?
+
+02:27:13:35 - 02:27:37:39
+Unknown
+For one, one of his victims is literally under 20. So that was a lie, too. This is just weird in Gen. Weird in gender. I don't know why people type things. They are so bad. It's obviously good. How about you? I'm doing all right. Myself. the only other man I know to have done this was Roberto, who is an open misogynist.
+
+02:27:37:39 - 02:28:00:12
+Unknown
+Skull 313. One of the victims was actually a part of this. While they consented. At first it was extremely rude, insulted their body, pressured them, and diluted her and lewd her images. Remember how he said use to collect. Stop being illiterate. He used to collect nude photos. doesn't this just make this post a huge red flag? In general, this is part of the question though.
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+02:28:00:23 - 02:28:16:44
+Unknown
+Like this is part of the question. Either all of it's okay and none of it's okay. Are you going to be sex positive or are you going to be sex negative? Like, I feel like you have to draw the line here eventually. This like lack of actually saying when the line is crossed is is kind of the issue.
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+02:28:16:44 - 02:28:45:36
+Unknown
+And entirely like this is something that people high in openness and low and conscientiousness ought to consider. Like either you should embrace there not being a line at all, which ends up being you. You end up into some problems there, or you should state explicitly where you actually draw the lines of people understand where you're coming from. Bloody hell, how do we know he ever used them for models in the first place?
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+02:28:45:36 - 02:29:07:41
+Unknown
+And didn't just add them to his creepy personal collection? I'm also, I'd also like to add that as an artist who focuses primarily on anatomy, I've never needed a real model. There's thousands of references already available online. I have no doubt this post was a cop out to lure in women and pressure them into lewd photos for his personal ego.
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+02:29:07:46 - 02:29:23:38
+Unknown
+I mean, that's that's that's not exactly a leap in logic. I mean, that's kind of a fair point, I suppose. share this story around as possible. And if anyone who sees this was one of his models and knows someone who was, please DM me. This is interesting. Like, will you just, like, personally hurt by this person?
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+02:29:23:38 - 02:29:41:16
+Unknown
+Why are you so interested in, like digging into exactly how evil this person was? It's like, oh yeah, you should DM me. with all the information you've got and all of this, it's like I it just makes me wonder where you get all the energy, like, damn. Like he must have hurt you pretty hard or something like that.
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+02:29:41:16 - 02:29:53:42
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, like it. I'm curious about that. Like, did he like you? Just like, so ethically concerned with it or something like, I don't know.
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+02:29:53:47 - 02:30:00:09
+Unknown
+Okay, so so that that is a threat. Clearly. But, there's not.
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+02:30:00:14 - 02:30:17:04
+Unknown
+I want to just punch you in the mouth. Is that for actually is that a threat? If you say you want to punch someone, is that actually a threat? Does that say that I am going to that I would be justified in doing so, which is a contradictory ethic, you know, understanding argumentation ethics. You can't advocate for that position.
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+02:30:17:04 - 02:30:19:50
+Unknown
+I don't know.
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+02:30:19:55 - 02:30:42:19
+Unknown
+I reckon it'd be wrong for him to punch him in the face, to punch him in the mouth anyway, like, this is interesting. So then he's posting. Okay, is this person a these all the same person or what is it. Is this where he's kicking people?
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+02:30:42:24 - 02:30:53:44
+Unknown
+For prophecy. Snooze okay. So this is a threat.
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+02:30:53:49 - 02:31:27:12
+Unknown
+That seems pretty nasty. Main boom memories. Hypnagogic moon. that the non main account has more followers. Interesting. And that animation seek sequential animation. Is that what that is? Okay, I forget student Scad 25 prophecy. Prophecy is is for girls who was secretive for prophecy I don't even. Okay, so you often said it was. It was good. It freaked me out.
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+02:31:27:18 - 02:31:46:48
+Unknown
+Let's let's take take that. Let's assume all that to be true. I guess he just randomly decided to admit. Shut up. Randomly decided to wait. This is all for clout and followers, but I hope this further explains what I meant by saying his comics aren't actually their victims.
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+02:31:46:53 - 02:32:08:22
+Unknown
+I'll even out these numbers soon. Thanks for the engagement. Honestly. Sathyaraj by crash out trolling chronically online. You you're useless IRL. Interesting. Comics. Mental health, self-care. Art I don't know, I guess I'm, I guess I'm kind of on that side of it. Holy ableism. Worst crash out of the century. I saw this and this one kind of confused me.
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+02:32:08:34 - 02:32:30:34
+Unknown
+Hot take mentally ill people don't deserve to have access to the internet and social media, but instead should be granted direct access to professional help so they aren't in mass groups of echo chambers to enable each other's toxic and problematic behaviors. Using the like. The hypocrisy here goodness. What are you reading? Just Twitter. Just Twitter shit. Basically. He's using the buzzwords that he posted there.
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+02:32:30:34 - 02:32:49:07
+Unknown
+I was like, I am aware that these it's like these, these words are used to death is like, okay, here you are continuing to dance on the grave of these words like, goodness sake, what does this even mean? You're aware of the problem, but you're you're part of the problem here. So toxic, problematic behaviors that solve shit for him.
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+02:32:49:12 - 02:33:11:06
+Unknown
+And it's like holy able as a worst crash out of the century. This is the funny thing is that if if he were to he's the ethical the the legal theory that he's, that he's embracing here is, it's going to bite him in the ass later because he is also clearly mentally ill in some way or another.
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+02:33:11:06 - 02:33:35:04
+Unknown
+Like a lot of the things he's talking about, it's just like, you know, this is just like not a mentally stable thing to do. So you could easily say, well, you know, you should be involuntarily institutionalized, or whatever. You're advocating for professional help. Granted, direct access to professional help, you know, mass group of echo chambers, chambers to enable each other's toxic and problematic behaviors.
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+02:33:35:06 - 02:33:58:03
+Unknown
+It's like this. This kind of seems like it would apply to you. So not only is the ethic that he's making like, clearly in violation of, you know, people's rights, it's a, what do you call it? It's, it's a conflict, creating norm. Right.
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+02:33:58:08 - 02:34:43:15
+Unknown
+But, like. The this is not like, the the reason why this is wrong. Like, the reason why this is wrong is because it, like, it breaks the rules of argumentation ethics, right? It's it's advocating for, violation of the nap. Right. But it's like it's ableism. It's like the collectivists just cannot not be bothered. Like they they do not know how to, how to view any thing that is wrong that someone is doing or anything that is, like intellectually inconsistent or whatever, without also like without first and without primarily viewing it in terms of, group identity, whatever group identity, this, this, this violates.
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+02:34:43:15 - 02:34:57:54
+Unknown
+Right? It's like, oh no, you've you've done the bad against the group. Right? Like every single time it's wrong because it's ableist. It's like, what? Clearly it's wrong because it's a violation of the Nap.
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+02:34:57:59 - 02:35:15:27
+Unknown
+I don't know, my phone died. Rip, rip, Bozo like the that's just a that's just a weird thing to say. Yeah, that's for me, but. Oh, well, I've gotten a few of DMs from Friends of Halo, so if he sexually coerced, you were worse. My DMs are open. Even if he was just a shitty friend. I'll listen though.
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+02:35:15:27 - 02:35:32:49
+Unknown
+I'm real sorry, guys. It's just interesting. Like what? You also friends with him. And this is why you're doing this? Like I'm interested into the. Yeah, I made a TikTok version. The imagine that this is like bloody long. Going to address this one more time and hopefully I won't have to again. To the folks complaining, if you actually read the post, you'd understand that the post is a timeline of events.
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+02:35:32:49 - 02:35:52:52
+Unknown
+Of the things I discovered he did. I do kind of wonder why you're so obsessed with it though. Like not, that's not a moral position at all. I'm just curious. Right? The victims testimonials came. Author I had already finished the first post on them. It's also important for folks to know that he's manipulative, a harasser, and a huge bigot.
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+02:35:52:57 - 02:36:11:43
+Unknown
+Bloody hell. The eventually the guillotine is going to come for you. And I'm just I'm just waiting for that day, you know, just waiting for that. The entire reason he got popular in the first place is due to those comics. So it's, it's important to point out that they, too, exist only to manipulate and cause chaos. I think that might actually be a leap in logic.
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+02:36:11:43 - 02:36:33:48
+Unknown
+I reckon that he doesn't, that he that he selectively cares about the things that he's virtual signaling about, like, that's, that's the thing is, it's not an intellectual or, it's not a rational basis. There's no consistent intellectual line that he's drawing. It's just whim, and it's just whatever he feels like, what makes him feel good, what makes him feel like he's morally just.
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+02:36:33:48 - 02:36:40:21
+Unknown
+But, there's no actual ethic behind it.
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+02:36:40:26 - 02:37:02:12
+Unknown
+It's intellectual and moralistic hedonism. That's what it is, really. This is not not even, articulated well. Right. He does not care about the victims of essay. I don't think he's in a in a positive sense. You know, obligated to care about anyone. the only thing he's obligated to do is to not violate the nap. Like, I don't know.
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+02:37:02:16 - 02:37:28:55
+Unknown
+He does not care about the mentally ill or traumatized. And he was he has, in his comics, also admitted to being an abuser. Without without more of the details of what he actually was admitting to in that comment comic, I'd be kind of, kind of cautious on that. That front, my main social is Instagram, so I copied and pasted the original post, adding the new testimonials over a month ago, just in case you came back on Twitter.
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+02:37:29:00 - 02:37:51:27
+Unknown
+I didn't expect him to return and blow up this is genuinely the worst time to Nick. Epic fucking illiterate nitpick goodness the victims have no issue. They are perfectly fine with how I formatted my post to stop talking to them. Fair enough. I guess I will block anyone else that harasses me over something this silly. What are you talking about?
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+02:37:51:32 - 02:38:13:14
+Unknown
+Like you think like there are people who are like, nit picking and you're being okay, so, so so you're talking about, like, there are petty things within like little, little details that, that, like in the formatting in and of itself. Like that's what you're talking about, like being harassed over silly things. I don't know, you're only taking attention that rightfully belongs on to him.
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+02:38:13:19 - 02:38:36:51
+Unknown
+I don't know about that. This is odd. So here's here's the document I wrote it. Okay. So this is the doc. This document I wrote over there was, a lot I couldn't initially under the post, along with more and worse allegations, also a lot more of his awful comics you'll probably didn't know existed. Okay, so is this is where they actually talk about the predatory, the grooming, the pedophilia.
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+02:38:36:55 - 02:39:01:07
+Unknown
+This nigga's talking to me sexually when I was 17, for I was that was this a person who was 19? Good as I'm, I'm beginning to not really care so much. I'm beginning to not really care so much about this. It seems to me as if, people could really do with, drawing the line better.
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+02:39:01:12 - 02:39:13:59
+Unknown
+When it comes to like, what is or isn't, permissible in any given case like this, this just seems to be loads of drivel.
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+02:39:14:04 - 02:39:35:42
+Unknown
+Like, it'd be nice if people could be clear when they're, you know, speculating about things or when they're not, when they're wondering about, like, where they draw the line of things or when they're not like, I don't know.
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+02:39:35:47 - 02:39:41:42
+Unknown
+So it looks like there's, like, sexual casualty.
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+02:39:41:47 - 02:40:05:22
+Unknown
+They claim to be 14. Dylan's who was 18 at the time, but I was actually 12 years old. So was that the situation? This is very illegal is true. I think that actually does, because presumably what this one is talking about is, on a, on the state level, like you're talking on a state level or sorry, you're talking about a legal level, like you're talking about what is currently instantiated in law in a statist sense.
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+02:40:05:22 - 02:40:32:49
+Unknown
+Right? in this sense, this is entirely dependent on what, which state each individual, each party lives in. And that in, in some states, I think that would actually be legal. So it's like alleged a like, allegedly. Goodness sake. Why why why are you so illiterate? Lance once held see some of it of a 12 year old.
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+02:40:32:54 - 02:40:59:31
+Unknown
+So like that would be illegal. But like the relationship in and of itself, especially. Yeah, it's illegal even if you're a minor. Like, I don't know if you're a minor, then you make, what is it you make? well, I don't know, like, hasn't it been that, like, technically there were minors who made content of themselves, who ended up getting charged just for creating or possessing that content at the time?
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+02:40:59:31 - 02:41:09:09
+Unknown
+Like, I don't know, it's just seems it seems very messy, very messy indeed. And I've I've lost my patience for it, frankly.
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